WHY WOMEN RIGHTS IN THE CHURCH?(2)

[N'ZI Amani Germain]

Brother Trevor,

I know you very well.

I know that you love and usually use rethoric, philosophy and analogies, traditions, carnal definitions and so on to to support your false teachings!

This time, my question to you is very simple, so please, let us not philosophize about it.

Please answer me!

According to Luke 8:1-3, were the women who followed Jesus and supported His work by their own means Apostles in a sense equivalent to that of the twelve?

YES OR NO!

Blessings,

Bro. Germain

[N'ZI Amani Germain]

Brother Trevor,

You have not answered my question yet?

By listening to your false teaching one can conclude that Brother Paul , an Apostle of the New Covenant should have no longer referred to that curse stated in Genesis 3:16.

Do you intend to take brother Paul wrong?

Have you ever read Galatians 1: 1-8?

NOW ANSWER ME PROPERLY!

Why, speaking about the place of the woman in the assemblies Paul referred to Genesis 3:16?

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing-if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.”

Timothy 2:12-15

“To the woman he said I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

Genesis 3:16

If in the new covenant, the hierarchical position of men over women no more exists, tell me why Paul, a preacher of the NEW COVENANT, speaking about the place of the woman in the assemblies did refer to Genesis 3:16?

PLEASE TELL ME WHY?

I'm still waiting for your insightful answer!

Bro. Germain

[Chaplain Pat Harris]

Bro. Germain, with all due respect, it is obvious that Bro. Trevor DID ANSWER your question, but you refuse to accept it!

1 Timothy 2:11-14, Paul was addressing the Ephesian Church. The women in this church were new believers and therefore, did not have enough biblical knowledge, maturity and experience to teach those who already had extensive scriptural education. In verse 12, Paul was speaking also about an attitude of silence and composure, not total silence. This sound principle is applicable today. New believers are not instantly equipped to teach and train mature believers.

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

Chaplain, this man is not one to respect anything except what he agrees with. He's not looking for an answer to his question, he's wants to be "right" in his own eyes. If women were to sty COMPLETELY silent, then Paul contradicted himself by saying that women were allowed to Prophesy, and any student of the Prophetic knows that Prophecy comes for EDIFICATION (which is teaching), exhortation and comfort. .

[Chaplain Pat Harris]

Bro. Trevor, it only shows that Bro. Germain is clearly taking these scriptures out of context. He's jumping all over the Bible grabbing scriptures that do not even address his own question. It probably would do him good to go back and revisit the textbook on "How To Study The Bible 101."

[N'ZI Amani Germain]

Dear sister Pat Harris,

You said:

"1 Timothy 2:11-14, Paul was addressing the Ephesian Church. The women in this church were new believers and therefore, did not have enough biblical knowledge, maturity and experience to teach those who already had extensive scriptural education. In verse 12, Paul was speaking also about an attitude of silence and composure, not total silence. This sound principle is applicable today. New believers are not instantly equipped to teach and train mature believers".


Dear sister, with all due respect, let me tell you that you are as spiritually blind as brother Trevor.

Let me tell you that THE REASON why brother Paul prevented Ephesians women from teaching is clearly stated in the following verse:

"For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing-if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety"

Please, do not add to the Word of God. The Gospel is not our own word; it’s the Word of God. Consequently, it should not be influenced by our belief, our feeling and our own thoughts.

Dear sister, what about the corinthian women in 1 Corinthians 14:33-37?

Were they also new believers and therefore, did not have enough biblical knowledge ?

Let’s see what Paul said:

“For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command.”

1 Corinthians 14:33-37

Was Paul referring to “the Corinthian culture and its laws”?

Paul truly said:

1- “As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches”

What Paul said was concerning not only the Church of Corinth but also all churches of the saints in the whole world.

2- “They must be in submission as the Law says.”

The law here is the Law of God. This Law can be found in Genesis 3:16, Ephesians 5:22-24, 1 Peter 3: 1.

This is the reason why the same Paul, speaking about the attitude of the women in the church (1 Timothy 2:11-14) referred to Genesis 3:16.

Paul was not referring to the particular Law of Corinthians. No!

The teachings of Paul can never be based on the rules taught by men. Never! I say never!
“They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.”(Mark 7:7)

3- Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached?”

Indeed, The Word of God didn’t originate with Corinthians. Moreover, they are not the only people it has reached. The Word of God is universal and identical for all the congregations of the Saints. Consequently, Paul did not speak about the particular culture of the Corinthians, insofar as there is only one faith (Ephesians 4: 5)

4- “The Lord's command”

What Paul did say was not his own opinion; it was the Lord’s command. Amen!
Women of God, Do you really Love the Lord? If you truly love Him, then you should obey His command, for the Lord Jesus said:
"If you love me, you will obey what I command.”
John 14:15

Do not harden your heart anymore but leave the pulpit to men of God. Recognize your place! Please recognize that your place is behind! Amen!

The scripture which clearly prohibited the Corinthians and Ephesians women from teaching is the Lord’s command. That is valid for the women of all the congregations of the saints (of any time).

That scripture was valid for Deborah, Anna, Priscilla, Phoebe, Mary, Tryphena, Tryphisa, Euodia, Syntyche and son on. And it’s valid for the women of today.

Blessings,

Bro. Germain

[God's Army]

No they were not....

[N'ZI Amani Germain]

Dear sister Pat Harris ,

Let me show why I say that brother Trevor has not answered my question yet.

This is below my first question to that false doctor Trevor:

“According to Luke 8:1-3, were the women who followed Jesus and supported His work by their own means Apostles in a sense equivalent to that of the twelve?

YES OR NO?

This is an excerpt of the first response of that false teacher:

TREVOR: “To answer your question simply: no, those women were not Apostles at all. There were only 12 Apostles at the time while Christ walked with them. So neither male nor female were regarded as Apostles other than the 12 that were hand picked. However, females were not hindered in their contribution to the Church after He resurrected and ascended. Is it because they have a vagina that you say they are not qualified for such service to GOD? Does GOD given authority resting on a person with a pare of breasts bother you? These words may seem graphic and rude to some, but the hindrance of GOD's servants is even more obscene in GOD's mind”.

My reply to the answer of that false teacher:

“ I thank you for your answer!"

Now tell me why there wasn't even ONE WOMAN among the 12 that were hand picked at that time?

Have you noticed that?

Please, instruct me! »

This is the answer of the false doctor Trevor:

TREVOR: “Thats simple: the OT curse of the Law was still in affect. What was that curse? Women were regarded as property, rather than regarded as equals which was the original will of GOD. It was NEVER GOD's will for females to be looked at as second-class citizens, however the curse of Genesis placed them there. Why don't you ask also why JESUS didn't pick a Gentile to be an Apostle along with the twelve?”


Now, this is my question to you :

If females were not hindered in their contribution to the Church after Jesus Christ resurrected and ascended, then why did Brother Paul who came after Jesus Christ, speaking about the place of the woman in the assemblies still refer to Genesis 3:16?

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing-if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.”

Timothy 2:12-15

“To the woman he said I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

Genesis 3:16

If in the new covenant, the hierarchical position of men over women no more exists, tell me why Paul, a preacher of the NEW COVENANT, speaking about the place of the woman in the assemblies did refer to Genesis 3:16?

PLEASE TELL ME WHY?

I'm still waiting for your insightful answer!

Bro. Germain

[N'ZI Amani Germain]

Sister Pat Harris said:

"Greetings Bro. Germain:

Let us stay within the context of the scriptures. In 1 Timothy 2:11-14, we must first understand the situation in which Paul and Timothy worked. In 1st Century Jewish culture, women were not allowed to study. When Paul said the women should "learn quiety and submissively," he was offering them a new opportunity. Paul did not want the Ephesian women to teach because they didn't yet have enough biblical knowledge and experience.

In Paul's reference to Genesis 3:16, he used this statement to indicate the necessity of keeping order in the church because the Ephesian church was still dealing with false teachings and the new female believers were being deceived by these teachings just as Eve was deceived by Satan. This is precisely why Paul made the statement that the Ephesian women could not teach or have authority over the man in the church.

As for female Apostles, Jesus did not call out any woman to be an apostle.

Appreciate your feedback.
Chaplain Pat Harris

Bro. Germain: I will get back to you on the Corinthian Church later in the day. Gotta go to
work".

Dear sister Pat Harris, be careful, please tame your tongue, for the Bible says:

“Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly”.

James 3:1

Indeed, Brother John said:

« I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth”.

1 John 2:21

The following assertion from sister Pat Harris is a lie: “In Paul's reference to Genesis 3:16, he used this statement to indicate the necessity of keeping order in the church because the Ephesian church was still dealing with false teachings and the new female believers were being deceived by these teachings just as Eve was deceived by Satan. This is precisely why Paul made the statement that the Ephesian women could not teach or have authority over the man in the church”.

Dear sister Pat Harris, let me inform you that Brother Paul said:

“If I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth”.

1 Timothy 3:15

So, please, be careful, and tame your tongue!

Blessings,

Bro. Germain

I'm still waiting for the answer of the false teacher TREVOR!

Blessings,

Bro. Germain

[God's Army]

I do feel that women can have a very strong presence within the ministry which is evident by the many that we see.

[N'ZI Amani Germain]

Perhaps you are in favour of feminism. You can fight for women emancipation and the promotion of their rights. All this is very well! But the Sons and the Daughters of God strictly believe what the Bible declares. When God speaks, creation should make silence! Thus, let us stop philosophizing, reasoning and speculating about the position of the women in the Assemblies! Let us stop Debates because the Bible is very clear on this subject:

“For God is not a God of disorder but of peace.
As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command.”

1 Corinthians 14: 33-37

“A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing-if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
1 Timothy 2:11-15
“I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
Revelation 22:18-19

“He, who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches”
Revelation 3:22

Blessings,

Bro. Germain

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