Would You As Pastor allow Homosexuals To Frolic In Your Church?

Vermont has just okayed what they call "same sex mariages". It is very sad that we humans who are supposed to be the most intelligent creatures on earth, dont even understand or appreciate the sacred purpose of marriage. The reason why God instituted marriage is for reproduction, plus nothing, minus nothing. The sole reason why we are created male and female, or exibit some form of sexuality is to reproduce. If we didnt have to reproduce after our kind, we wont have any devices for sex. Angels dont reproduce and as such are sexless beings. Everything else God put on earth comes in pairs of male and female. Even birds know this. Have you ever gone bird-watching and seen two male birds weaving a nest and trying to raise a family?
You dont have to be a rocket scientist in order to understand that another man's behind was neither designed by God nor evolution for sex. The anus is not a sexul organ, period. So that if you want to use a body feature designed to accomplish one task for a completely senseless one then there is something wrong with your perception. You are like the man who sees a deer and calls it an elephant. Something is wrong upstairs!! What is the purpose of a so called same sex marriage. Sexual pleasure so they speak. But pleasure is not the purpose for sex.The pleasure part is secondary. God made sex pleasurable, why? Because if it had felt like surgery, you would have to hold a gun to your partner's head to have children. Homosexuals have taken the "purpose" out and are going gang-ho after the "pleasure".WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT PLEASURE-SEEKING IN THE LAST DAYS?
As A pastor the only way I would allow a homosexual in my congregation if they understand that homosexuality, just all other deviations , is wrong and they came to church to seek help like all of us do. But if a homosexual shows up in church all cocky and full of gay pride and trying to peddle his ware in the church, I will chase him out with a baseball bat!!! lol!
You just said "wow, he hates homosexuals!", right? Wrong. As a pastor you cant hate anybody because of their sin.It will be like a Doctor hating a patient because the latter has a form of cancer the Doctor dreads.But if the patient tells the Doc, "Leave my cancer a lone. I was born with it, and I am proud of it." Well, then get out of the hospital! I dont hate homosexuals, I hate homosexuality. You dont hate the sinner, you hate the sin. You have to hate the sin enough to be able to help the sinner. On the other hand if you love the sin, you yourself might just get caught up in it.I consider it a disgrace to the human race that we allow behavior that even some animals shy away from.

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The reason you cant understand is becos your mind is reprobate. Remember you homosexuals are in the minority. If homosexuality was the right way to live and normal heterosexual relationships were evil as you poofs put it, then it follows you the evil ones will be in the majority. But that is not the case. I recently put this same issue before even non-christians about the purpose of the so-called homosexual marriages. They had no answers, some were talking about insurance and marital benefits... Lord Jesus. The truth remains that when a person allows the Devil to take control of their reasoning capacities, everything else falls apart. When you are infrected by the homo bug, your ability to reason logically falls short. Ofcourse if a homosexual could reason logically, they will understand with minimal effort that another man's anus was not designed to be a sexual organ. See , so it is your own reprobate and dillusionary mind that is sending you on this wild goose chase .There aresimple answers lying at your door.
I recently read an article in a science magazine when a homosexual scientist went to study homosexuality among Some kind of monkeys in Japan, This scientist after spending some time following Japanese monkeys, came back yelling, "Eruka. Eruka!! I found it. I saw a male monkey try to make love to another male monkey! Yahoo!!!! Homosexuality is right! Monkeys do it too!" HAhaha!! Lord have mercy, how low are you poofs willing to stoop so you can seem right? Monkeys are animals!!! You dont learn what is right or wrong from a monkey, you dont learn spiritual issues from a monkey, you learn from the Word of God.
Homosexual marriages are insane, call me all the names: assistant pastor, ha haha!
Let me let you in a little bit about that" Assistant Pastor" that Maria seem to be so fascinated about. I can guess what she is driving at is" Oh all you are is assistant pastor and you think you can be an authority on this issues." Well, no1. you dont have to be a pastor at all to know that homosexuality is insane, No2. I have been preaching the word of God since I was 17 years, and I have had several occassions to head whole ministries. I have mentored and taught people who are now Bishops!! Shortly before I came to the US I was mentoring a brother who is now overseeing 18 churches in Ghana. He still looks up to me.
I first did not want to be a minister in the first place. I am certainly not in to make money, God forbid!! It took me so long becos of the problems I faced myseldf in the church. So Maria, even if you think all iam is Assistant Pastor, which by the way is no longer so, cos I moving on with my own ministry, do you think big names in ministry is what represent truth?
I dont even like people calling me pastor, I say just call me Andy.Period. I dont believe in titles.How many did the Lord Jesus have. You have popes and Most right Reverend son of the devil in the church. HOW CAN A MAN CALL HIMSELF BISHOP AND LEADER OF A CHURCH BUT DOES NOT BELIEVE IN FAMILY VALUES? INSTEAD HE IS AN OPENLY GAY SON OF SHIT!!
I will rather be Andy the Bush African and know the difference between the truth of God's Word and a lie from the Devil. Thank you .
if you don't like gay marriage, which you don't, then don't marry a gay person...

why worry what someone else is doing...not everyone has the same beliefs as you anyways...
The reason oh Maria the Ignorant is that, if we keep quiet and let this insanity carry on, a lot of inocent people will be drawn into it. So far the Devil's voice has been heard loud and clear all the way to Washignton, none of God's people has stood up to tell the other side of the story.
There are young Americans today who think homosexuality is as normal as aple pie, because they grew up around the campaign informercial and agenda by the poofs to legitimize what is visibly insane and abominable.
The reason today you Maria, thinks homosexuality is holiness itself is because of lack of information. You grew up in an age when the church had gone on the silent side. Pastors were more concerned about building huge prosperity empires that speaking and standing for the truth. Whilst they were domant indolent and indulging in materialism, the devil was spreading his agenda very quickly..
Maria tell me that you believe it is all right for a man to spray his reproductive seed into his fellow man's anus where there are billions of nothing but digestive bacteria and no sign of reproductive activity and I will stop interacting with you. Why, you are beyound salvaging!!! You are too insane for anyone to bother with you!
you seem like the typical overly brainwashed black christian that won't talk to anyone that doesn't share your exact beliefs and feels like they have the god given right to talk down to people. if it makes you feel better, well, that's sad...but i can sure you can find some bible verse that justifies you being rude...i'm sure could find a bible verse for anything you want tho...
I am done with you. So long and keep believing in homosexuality as the progress for mankind. . I guess your way of spirituality is to hit low when you have no relevant answers.Even unbelievers who have some logical abilities wont agree with you. So move on. I hope you encounter the Holy Spirit and stop being a norminal christian. A norminal christian is still unsaved! You have to have the mark of God's onwership on you to be saved, which is the Holy Spirit. No one who has the Holy Spirit could possibly doubt the Word of God. Heartfelt salvation is always followed by illumination of the Holy Ghost. There are social christian like Maria who are yet to find salvation. Pray for these ones daily.
Sis Satin, I noticed that you mentioned that the Bible refers to homosexuality as an abomination?

I have heard a debate between Gays and some Baptists. What I found interesting is that was the SAME BOOK OF THE BIBLE/ Leviticus, that condemn the Gay for his sexual deviancy, also condemns the Baptist/Christian for eating SWINE, SHELLFISH, CAT FISH, etc. Have you ever seen those scriptures in the Bible?

Lev. 11:10 - 11:10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
Clams, oysters, crabs, lobsters, and shrimp are abominations.

11:11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
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Do you eat these abominable things Sister?
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Here is the entry from a Christian Encyclopedia:

The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia -

ABOMINATION

In Deuteronomy 14:3, for example, we have the command,

"Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing," as introductory to the laws prohibiting the use of the unclean animals (see CLEAN; UNCLEANNESS), and the word there used is [to`ebhah].

But in Leviticus 11:10-13,20,23,41,42; Isaiah 66:17; and in Ezekiel 8:10 sheqets is the word used and likewise applied to the prohibited animals; as also in Leviticus 11:43 sheqets is used when it is commanded, "Ye shall not make yourselves abominable."
http://www.searchgodsword.org/enc/isb/view.cgi?number=T84

2 Cor. 6:17-
Why come out from among them, and be you separate, said the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.



Pork, shell fish, cat fish, also should never be allowed in the Sanctuary of the Church, nor in your Body with is the Temple of our Heavenly Father....
Well, my my my! Let me first start out by saying anything that us unrighteous is sin. Anything that goes against what the holy scriptures dictate us to do is sin. James 4:17 says this, Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. Most people do not argue points that are correct, because there is no point in doing that. We would never argue with anyone today that Obama is not the president, because he is! Imagine that argument. He is president. He is so. Yes he is. I know but he is really the president. O.K. Also let me get back to bible basics. Homosexuality is a sin according to the scriptures. Should we allow them in our churches...the answer is yes. Should they lead in any area, I say no. I also say that a strong person should be assigned to them to help, nurture and teach them the way of the Lord & savior of our lives. We cannot stand at the doors of our churches picking & choosing who can come in due to their type of sin. You turn the homosexual away, but let the rapist in! You turn the homosexual away, but the trustee is stealing money as he counts it. You turn the homosexual away, but the deacon is up there in front of the church trying to recooperate from a Saturday hangover! The bible is clear on how to handle and deal with sin. They should all be dealt with the same way. Now this here subject is on homosexuals so I have some scriptures to post. 1st of all, no one is born gay, rude, fat, stupid, crazy, weird, anorexic, etc. So I have some scripture for anyone who says that

1. And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meetRom. 1:27
2. 'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. Lev. 18:22
3. If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them. Lev. 20:30
4. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind I Cor. 6:9

Now you can break this down & clearly see that Our Lord & Savior would not have men inspired by the holy ghost to write about men with men as an abomination if it was a natural way to be born. You would be saying that God created an abomination. Now if you remain with the argument that they are born this way, I will humor you a bit and give some bible instruction

1. There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (John 3:1-7)
Homosexuality is a fleshly spirit. I encourage you to be born again! Become born of the spirit.

Science Shows That Homosexuals Are Not "Born That Way."

1.)Dr. Dean Hamer who failed to find a "gay gene":

"Homosexuality is not purely genetic. Environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay. I don't think that we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

2.) Dr. Dean Hamer was asked by Scientific American if homosexuality was rooted solely in biology. He replied:

"Absolutely not. From twin studies we already know that half or more of the variability in sexual orientation is not inherited. Our studies try to pinpoint the genetic factors, not negate the psychosocial factors."

Before you state that this is only one study, there are more. I would fill up about 30 pages with my studies. The one above is the sum total of the studies.

The bottom line is bring them to church. The church is suppose to be a place of solace, comfort & hospitality. Notice the word hospital in the word hospitality. Bring all the sick & wounded to the church for healing & restoration. The problem lies here, are our churches qualified to do this? The church itself has become a cess pool of whoremongers. Male & female. How can the blind lead the blind? They will both fall in a ditch. There needs to be an immediate revival in our churches. Again notice the word revive in revival. Our churches are dead, we need God to breathe on us once again. I know some will or may try to say where is my love. I have plenty of love for everyone sinners & saints alike, but I have no hell to sin you to or heaven to place in. Your life & lifestyle will determine that. Let us be sure that we do not have a huge beam in our eyes before trying to remove a speck from someone else eye. You all be blessed and continue to post with intelligence. Dont be ignorant to one another. No one gets glory from that but the stupid dumb devil. Based on some of the things I have read, the church is in big trouble. I just hope I can make a difference and not be counted among the folks who try to maime or hurt people with bitter words.
Amen
Again its up to standing up to truth. In reply to Titus to Women 's posting: we are in this mess becos the church failed to stand up to the truth. And over the years Satan managed to infiltrate the church and diluted it so it is of no consequence in society. Even though that is the primary role God calls pastors or "watchmen" to play.
Sin has so much infiltrated the church that people say : "why bother, homosexuality is not the only sin in the church, so let them all come in as they are and leave it to the Lord to deal with them" Do you know what that does to the church? It kills the spirit further, trashes the very purpose of the church, gives amunitions for the enemy to rejoice and make followers of the Lord look ridiculously insane. Pacificism, sanctimonous predilection, paternalistic approach to churchianity, all these are devices the devil had crafted and used to his extreme advantage.Kind words have their place but standing for the truth will put one in a position where brute, raw and uncut words makes a better difference. The Lord Jesus was kind but He was forced to chase the money changers out of the temple with a whip.( I wish I was there to support Him with a baseball bat! )Hate is what we should avoid, it is worse than cancer, but standing in truth for God's word should not be done with some form of eferminate disposition, we shouldnt allow the enemy to ride roughshod over us becos we want to look cool to the eyes of the world. That is the fundamental mistake we have been making. If the early apostles wanted to look cool and overly sympathetic, I bet none of them would have died the way they did.And the gospel might not have survived to reach us. Get some backbone! Fight for what you believe in!
The prophetess just laid it bare. But will any poofs out there comprehend? I was gonna put a posting on this food business but The Prophetess just said it all. Thanks and Godbless, prophetess Satin. Because of the advent of the Holy Spirit, a lot of things in the Old testament law have been relaxed for both the homosexual and the one who eats bacon. The homosexual used to be stoned to death, now he is offered deliverance and the cleansing power of the blood of Jesus(ON CONDITION THAT HE BELIEVES HE IS A SINNER!!), through the power of the Holy Ghost. The same cleansing power enables a true bible-believing christian to eat bacon. Besides, jewish dietary laws were not emphasized in the new testament dispensation in any form or shape. The Lord actually showed Paul a picture of all that was deemed "unclean" and said. rise up kill and eat." At as this point even salvation was not yet viewed by many as offered wholesale for Gentiles.
But when it comes to the abominable lifestyle of homosexuality we dont see anywhere in scripture where it is either implicit or explicit that marrying another man is holiness itself. we rahter see a strong condemnation, even stronger than in OT days. God giving them up to a reprobate mind!! That is some serious stuff, unless ofcourse if you are a poof. We dont even need the Word on this, just referring to common sense should be enough. You cant compare eating a lobster to marrying the same gender model of your own species as on equal footing. Again that is only possible when you have a twisted mind.
To them that believed, He gave them power to become the sons of God. This power comes from the Holy Ghost. He switches the light on to dispel dakness that is controling the unsaved mind. Without this power , a person is wallowing in darkness and will continue to make silly judgements and carry on untill the portals of hells.
Bro Andy:
Will you admit that God has the right to tell His creation what they should and should not eat? If you have read the first few chapters in book of Genesis you will realize that man's first sin involved him violating the commandment regarding eating of the tree forbidden by God/YHWH. That disobedience changed the course of mankind.

That same Creator gave His people a list of things that they should not eat.
in Leviticus 11 & Deut. 14.

Didn't Jesus say "man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God/YHWH."

Did Jesus ever teach his disciples any different? If He had, Peter wouldn't have DECLINED to eat the unclean food as we read that he did in this account in

Acts 10:

13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. 14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. 16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

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Now Peter DOUBTED the vision but when it was revealed he reported the following


vs 28: And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
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Now you have given a different conclusion than Peter who got his interpretation directly from God. Peter didn't say "God has shown me that I can now eat Ham, shrimp and chitterlings!

Peter stated that God showed him that this was dealing with the cleansing of the Gentiles not SWINE, and other elements of Biblically forbiddeen (often simply "slave food which the Europeans taught our forefathers to eat).

So your traditional interpretation, that this texts gives our Creator's approval to eat abominable things is false.

If you disagree, please show me the verses that support your eating abominable things.

Our Messiah did not die to clean up these filthy creatures so that you could eat them. That is why according to

This subject is valid Sis Satin, in that you are judging the Gay to be an abomination, yet the same scriptures indicate the Pork eater is an abomination.

In a prophecy yet future, the prophet Isaiah speaks against swine eating, quoting the LORD Himself. Those who do will receive a judgement from the Lord/YHWH, do you also ignore this warning directly from YHWH Himself?


Isaiah 66:
16 For the LORD will execute judgment by fire
And by His sword on all flesh,
And those slain by the LORD will be many.
17 “Those who sanctify and purify themselves to go to the gardens,
Following one in the center,
Who eat swine’s flesh, detestable things and mice,
Will come to an end altogether,” declares the LORD.

Any Berean who searches the scriptures would tell you the same thing.
I encourage you both to read the scriptures for your self, and to stop leaning on false interpretations give to you by false teachers, and repeating these falsehoods yourself. As you see the Lord's judgement against the swine eaters is the SAME as that of the HOMOSEXUAL.

Isaiah 66:
16 For the LORD will execute judgment by fire....
17 “Those who sanctify and purify themselves......Who eat swine’s flesh, detestable things and mice,

Don't expect the gay to be corrected by the scriptures when you yourselves refuse to be corrected when it comes to something you choose to do.

Now that you have the truth, what will you do about it?

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