Can We Eat Pork, Shellfish, And All Torah Forbidden Foods Under The New Testament?

[James Pierce]

Anyone?

[James Pierce]

Trevor,

We are not going back there.. Our talk, along with the rest of the scripture, Prophets, and NT writings, refers to the foods you cannot eat, and the foods you can eat. TORAH says we are not to eat pork, shellfish, fish without scales and fins, vultures, and the like. Yah spoke to the Prophet Jeremiah and said that TORAH WILL BE written on our hearts.

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

Are you even paying ANY attention to what I said, or are you talking just to talk? I said Check the last post of this blog and see. That means click onto the LAST PAGE (which would be at this very moment page 4, something I wrote 3 hours ago) and see what I said!

[Pastor valentine]

YES WE CAN, In the new teatament the Book of Acts 10:10-15. tells the story of how God presented to peter all manner of flesh / seafood [pork,shellfood etc] God said kill and eat , peter rfused saying it was unclean. God replies whatGod has Cleaned is cleaned indeed

[Anna]

Valentine:

The status of "clean and uinclean" continues to exist after Acts 10, apparently your interpretation of Peter's vision is erroneous.

If there are no longer distinctions between "clean and unclean" why is Paul giving the following instructions:

2 Corinthians 6:17 (King James Version)

17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, an

******touch not the unclean thing******

; and I will receive you."


To eat SWINE you obviously have to "touch it" and you are therefore violating Paul's and YHWH's instructions.

Lev.11
[7] And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.

Deut.14
[8] And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.

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Unclean birds are mentioned in the book of Revelation

Rev.18
[2] And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every

*****unclean and hateful bird****.

If you will reread Acts 10 you will see Peter giving us the interpretation of his vision.

He states plainly that God had shown him NOT TO CALL ANY MAN COMMON OR UNCLEAN!

Acts 10
[28] And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but

Don't forget that the same Christian church which gives you this false interpretation of Peter's vision, also interpreted what is referred to as the "Curse of Ham" (Genesis 9:20-27) to provide vidence that you and the entire Black race should be perpetually ENSLAVED!
God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean

Where do you see evidence in this text that Peter's interpretation of this vision gives you permission to eat what YHWH says was forbdden?

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

When Paul spoke of the unclean thing, that never was in reference to food. He addressed food already in 1st Corinthians. Why don't you take time to cut and paste that?

[Anna]

Trevor:
Have you ever read this text:

2Tim.3
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

The Bible will define the term "unclean thing" which was used frequently regarding food in the 1st Testament, the ONLY BIBLE that our Messiah and His apostles had to read:

Lev.5
[2] Or if a soul touch any unclean thing, whether it be a carcase of an unclean beast, or a carcase of unclean cattle, or the carcase of unclean creeping things, and if it be hidden from him; he also shall be unclean, and guilty.

Lev.7
[19] And the flesh that toucheth any unclean thing shall not be eaten; it shall be burnt with fire: and as for the flesh, all that be clean shall eat thereof.

[21] Moreover the soul that shall touch any unclean thing, as the uncleanness of man, or any unclean beast, or any abominable unclean thing, and eat of the flesh of the sacrifice of peace offerings, which pertain unto the LORD, even that soul shall be cut off from his people.

Judg.13
[4] Now therefore beware, I pray thee, and drink not wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing:

[7] But he said unto me, Behold, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and now drink no wine nor strong drink, neither eat any unclean thing: for the child shall be a Nazarite to God from the womb to the day of his death.

[14] She may not eat of any thing that cometh of the vine, neither let her drink wine or strong drink, nor eat any unclean thing: all that I commanded her let her observe.

Isa.52
[11] Depart ye, depart ye, go ye out from thence, touch no unclean thing; go ye out of the midst of her; be ye clean, that bear the vessels of the LORD.

Hos.9
[3] They shall not dwell in the LORD's land; but Ephraim shall return to Egypt, and they shall eat unclean things in Assyria.

2Cor.6
[17] Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

You have the Biblical evidence.
I rest my case.

The "unclean thing" in 1 Cor. 6, refers forbidden abominable things such as pork, shrimp, crabs etc....

[Hezekiah Ben Israel]

Read a liitle bit more in acts. God was showing Peter not to call a man common or unclean.

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

I wrote this before, and it went virtually ignored, with no rebuttal nor response at all. Therefore, I'm gonna post it AGAIN, and this time, I want to see just what can be said concerning all the parts. Refute if you dare:



When I said are the Apostle's words wrong and contradicting the Messiah, all I got for an answer from "Dem Torah Boyz" was that they wanted to hear from Messiah's mouth. I have three things to say in response to that:

1) Last I checked, if one hears a teaching from a disciple, you are practically learning from the Master who taught the disciple, with added wisdom gained along life's way by experience. The Apostle's words are that of the Messiah's words, for they are His Ambassadors. Thats literally what the word/office "Apostolos" meant. If you don't want to hear His apostles, that would be like you saying JESUS' mouth wasn't good enough, I want to hear it directly from the FATHER Himself. Christ would then reply "if you have seen Me, you have seen the FATHER" because He was an Apostle sent by the FATHER.


2) I can easily give you words from Christ's mouth. The funny thing is, you wouldn't want those either because they came from the writings of His Apostles, the ones you didn't want to hear from in the first place!

Matthew 15:10-20 "And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying? But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable. And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding? Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man."

Though this does not start off as an issue of what they can eat, it does cover what is eatable and allowable by GOD, referring to what GOD's commandment was to Noah.


3) Since you are sooooo dedicated to adherence to Torah, lets see what the Torah has to say concerning what we can eat, shall we?

Genesis 9:3-4 "Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat."


4) Your deceitful and tricky questions are designed to ask for answers directly from JESUS when in fact the Messiah never directly addressed them within the four Gospels. You and I, and all here both know this very well, for He was a Jew, and since He was under the old covenant till His death burial and resurrection, He had to adhere to the old covenant's laws. This tries to trap off people to make them seem wrong, all while allow for you to not have to prove that you are right in anyway concerning the N.T. scriptures. You play the role of saying "if it wasn't mentioned in the NT then they must have just trusted the OT in that particular part", but Paul and the rest of the apostles surly did address them. The moment someone turns to them, your response, and the resat of your colleagues response is "You run to Paul" or "Who should we believe, Paul or Jesus?". The same foolishness was used by the Sanhedrin against Pilate, when having Christ on Trial! They tried to trap him and manipulate his position, saying "". This literally meant "a vote for YESHUA is a vote against Caesar!!", a clear trap for Pilate.

[Anna]

I will gladly use writings regarding Paul. the favorite Apostle of most of the antinomians to prove to you that he never ate anything unclean as you do.

He gave his testimony regarding what he believed and practiced.

Paul throughout his life obeyed the Commandments of the Covenant, based upon what he said in the following texts. Paul did not break the Sabbath or eat swine, lobster and shrimp which according to scientists, are the "maggots of the ocean" since they scavenge, feeding upon dead and decaying sea creatures.

Why don't any of you ever quote Paul from Acts 24 and 25 in the clean and unclean food debate.

He states:

Acts.24
[14] But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, *believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets*:

Acts 24:
[8] While he answered for himself, Neither against *the law of the Jews*, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caesar, have I offended any thing at all.

Question:

Do the "law and the prophets" contain verses forbidding the eating of unclean food? YES! Paul as you can see believed the unclean foods of Lev. 11 and Deut 14 should not be eaten.

Does the "law of the Jews" contain prohibition against eating unclean foods? Yes!

If you swine eaters are alledging that Paul ate these unclean foods, you are calling Paul a LIAR, which is false witness and it is sin for which you need to repent........

As you can read, Paul expressed his faith not as you do, but by staying in the state in which he was born, and keeping the commandments of the law and the prophets and his Jewish/Hebrew nation.

Jesus/Yahshua, Paul, nor any of the apostles, ever ate any creatures forbidden by the Scriptures!

PS: The prophet Isaiah says the following which will be the destiny of those "eating swine's flesh"

Isa.66
[17] They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

It would have been interesting to see someone answer my post piece by piece, question by question, statement by statement, but thats a bit too much to ask for. Rather, I have Anna here dancing around my statements while she posts blogs with 22 questions that she specifically wanted answered.

Cute.....

now try again..........

[Hezekiah Ben Israel]

@ Trevor. This is a slick post, but it is totally from the imagination of your heart. That scripture is talking about what you say defiles a man. That is what he means by what comes out of a man's mouth. The words you say defile you. If you lie, that defiles you.

What about Leviticus chapter 11. I am going to put up a dietary Law thread, and prove your doctrine to be from your heart, and not the truth from the scriptures. You are just taking scriptures that look as if it is saying something. but you don't get the context around the scripture you post. So it is open from interpretation.

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

"And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man..........And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding? Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?"

Weren't these the words of CHRIST JESUS? Wasn't HE referring to food? Did JESUS not also say that nothing that you eat can defile you? Is that the imagination of my heart, or the words of CHRIST's mouth?

Also, you took all that time to respond to only one of my 4 parts of the comment (and it wasn't all that good either). How about taking a shot at the other 3 parts huh? How about ANY OF YOU THAT BELIEVE THE SAME WAY take a shot at it?