The Trinity is Bibical

[Rev. Derek Joshua E'Lon]

Is The Trinity Biblical?
From the Christian Research Institute
www.equip.org
The Trinity is a basic doctrine of orthodox Christianity. Yet the word "Trinity" is not found anywhere in the Bible. Is the doctrine of the Trinity really biblical?
The doctrine of the Trinity says that there is one All Mighty One (God) who exists eternally as three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I can assure you that the elements of this doctrine are all taken directly from the Bible.
The first plank of the Trinitarian platform is that there is only one All Mighty One (God). The Bible could not be more explicit on this point, which it states explicitly about two dozen times. In Isaiah 44:8 Yahweh (The LORD) says that even He does not know of any other (mighty ones)gods!
Yahshua (Jesus) often spoke of the All Mighty One (God) as His Father, and the apostles frequently spoke of "the Almighty One (God) the Father." But the New Testament also insists that Yahshua (Jesus) is The Almighty One (God). For example, Thomas acknowledged Yahshua (Jesus) as, "My Lord(master) and my Almighty One (God)" (John 20:28), and both Peter and Paul spoke of Yahshua (Jesus) as "our All Mighty One (God) and Savior" (2 Pet. 1:1; Tit. 2:13). Yet the New Testament also makes the distinction between the Father and the Son as two very different persons. In fact they tell us that they love one another, speak to each other, and seek to glorify each other (e.g., John 17: 1-26).
The Old Testament refers often to the Holy Spirit as The Almighty One (God) at work in the world, without distinction from the Father. But Yahshua (Jesus) in John 14 to 16 explained that this Holy Spirit would be sent by the Father at the Messiah’s (Christ's) request. The Holy Spirit would teach and guide the disciples, not speaking on His own initiative, but speaking on the Messiah’s 9Christ's) behalf and glorifying The messiah (Christ). Thus, the Holy Spirit is revealed by The Messiah (Christ) to be a third person distinct from the Father and distinct from the Son.
In short, the doctrine of the Trinity is completely and totally biblical, and it is essential that all the Followers of the Messiah Yahshua (Christians) give assent to this doctrine.

[N'ZI Amani Germain]

May God open the eyes of this blind man(Rev & Mrs McKivett) who claims to lean on the FULL GOSPEL, whereas he denies the TRUTH taught by the Bible.

Rev & Mrs McKivett, please, answer my question below:

Since the SON, "THE SECOND PERSON OF THE TRINITY" has ascended, are there henceforth THREE PERSONS ON THE THRONE IN HEAVEN?

I'm waiting for your answer!

Bro. Germain

[Rev & Mrs McKivett]

I came to a Christian website to discuss with Christians. I do not believe people that deny the trinity are saved so will not discuss with them. There are many good books on the trinity. A good one is the forgotten trinity be James White, None Trinitarians are wasting their time talking to me as they will get no reply. Another good book is the oneness Pentecostals and the Trinity. By Gregory A boyd, This was written by a man that was in the UPC for years before accepting the trinity.

If anyone gets upset for me saying that oneness are not saved should remember that oneness people hold that Trinitarians are not saved as well. In fact Jesus only people believe you are not saved unless you are baptised in Jesus name and speak in tongues.

So to all oneness heretics don’t bother talking to me as I did not join a Christian site to talk to none Christians

[Rev & Mrs McKivett]

I have done several videos dealing with the baptism in Jesus name heresy under the title of 'A Most Evil Doctrine'. go to:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=FullGospelEvangelism#p/u/0/Ex31...

[Della Morton]

[N'ZI Amani Germain]

"The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons".

1 Timothy 4:1

One of the favorite DOCTRINES taught by Demons is the "THE TRINITY": "God in THREE PERSONS".

Bro. Germain

[Della Morton]

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 (King James Version)

10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

How Did they Not Receive and Love The Truth? But Had Pleasure In Unrighteousness?

If The Trinitarian Is Not Baptized in Jesus Name Then Their sins cannot be washed away! By taking the Name Out of The Bible and Replacing it with their trifold formula.The scriptures don't support. Simple as that.
If they want to believe a lie that What peter preached to be saved Acts 2:38-39(Since He was Given The Keys to the Kingdom)
In another gospel.(the Doctrine Of The Trinity) They Claim It Is Biblical But it becomes serious when They Exclude The One Saving Name in water Baptism Acts 4:12 and The apostles Teachings in acts for True Salvation.

Closing prayer:

Lord Jesus I pray for all the good people in the Trinitarian church. I pray our Lord that you would open their eyes to see you were not a Catholic or TRINITIAN for that matter and they should not be either. As they open their Bible Lord Jesus and begin to seek for the true Church, guide them, love them, and lead them as our Good Shepherd. Lord I pray now you will bring them into the one fold of the True Church of Jesus Christ. Thank you. In Jesus Name Amen!


Do you Have Religion or Relationship?

Religion-The person decides Their CHURCH IS DICTATING TO THEM what they can do even if it's against God.( by adding and Taking away from scripture to conform to Their doctrine. (no baptism in Jesus name,Denying His Name and Resorting to a MAN-made doctrine. Not Referring to the Original doctrine of the Apostles found in the bible to Saved. Acts 2:38-41

Relationship- The sincere Seeker will find Jesus and the Truth on how to be saved in the bible. The Bible will never Contradict itself , It always flows it perfect Harmony. It is Man That Divides Gods Word and says The WHOLE Truth Is Not Necessary.

So Please Search Out The Scriptures and be in Prayer To see if What I am Saying to you is True.
The Bereans in Acts 17:11 (King James Version)

11These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.


Salvation Is important. We are talking about your own Soul here.Not About Who's opinion Is Right and wrong.
This is about The Word of God,Do you REALLY believe in the FULL gospel ? I encourage You all To Seek Him In Prayer
and Search the Many scriptures in these posts I have Provided.
I love each and every one Of you in this discussion Forum and Don't Want to see any of you PERISH! This is why I keep coming on here Not To Cut any religion Down(jokingly) But To SHARE THE WORD OF GOD.
Again Love and Prayers.
Della Morton

[Della Morton]

Baptism in the Name of Jesus

Why YOU need to know why.

OK. Most Christians were baptized in the titles of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Were you?

Why would this article dare suggest something different? Because the Bible really does make a very big deal out of using the name of Jesus in baptism. Please consider this subject with an open mind.

It focuses on the importance of the name of Jesus. Think about this.

Civilization has worshipped many gods throughout history.

People make gods out of anything. They imagine that anything that seems to be somewhat supernatural is a god. People imagine gods to be anything they need them to be for whatever purpose.

Take for example, the ancient Aztec Indians. They believed that fire and water were sacred to their very survival, so they imagined and worshipped gods of fire and water.

In the Far East, Hindus worshipped gods of wealth, health, and fertility, for similar reasons. The ancient Mediterraneans idolized sensuality and carnal pleasures, and mythological gods like Venus and Isis, Eros and Cupid were worshipped.

Orientals of India revere the Brahman sages, and hold cows to be sacred. Egyptians fearfully worship crocodiles, to appease the dangerous beasts dwelling along the banks of the Nile River. Many societies have deified their heroic dead, such as the ancient Nimrod and his wife, Simaramis.

In the modern Western world, we worship a menagerie of gods, like money and material possessions, or fame and fortune, pleasure and power. We hold over-achievers on a pedestal - the Olympians, the movie stars, the star athletes.

It is important to remember that man-made gods have no power to prepare us for eternity.

There may appear to be many gods, but we realize that many things are worshipped which are not worthy of worship. Many things that are perceived to be supernatural, or have supernatural powers are not indeed supernatural.

Jesus Christ is the only man who ever lived who had, and still has the power to save, heal and change lives. Most of the gods of ages past have long been forgotten. Even in modern society, we see that men's worship is usually short-lived, and popular gods and idols soon become unpopular, and men replace them with new, more attractive ones. There have been few gods that held the public attention for more than a short time.

Jesus Christ is God with us. He is the only true, living Savior.

There is only one God that has endured the test of time and continues forever the same. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. And that is the God of the Bible.

Israel's King David observed, "The idols of the heathen are silver and gold, the work of men's hands. They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they but they see not: They have ears, but they hear not..." (Psalm 115:4-6a). He reminds us that the gods of this world are created by men, and are therefore lifeless.

"But," he boasts that, "our God is in the heavens, he hath done whatsoever he pleased" (verse 3).

Our God is the only eternal God.

The Apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthians (I Corinthians 8:5 & 6) that "though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) but to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things."

This describes the sovereignty, or the singular entity of God.

Our God is not just A god, but He is THE God; the only true and living God. He stands alone, in a class all to Himself. He is Supreme and superior to every other power.

I should not have to prove to any thinking person that there truly is a Supreme God; a Holy One whose power supersedes, precludes and leaves powerless any other so-called god.

Only a fool would argue that there is not a higher power, specifically, one whose very existence is not confined to time or space. Some people ignorantly acknowledge a 'Force' with us; others perceive Him as 'Divine providence'.

But He is infinitely more than a force or a providence. He is our Creator. As such, He is our Father. He is the root and source of all life. Even though men perceive God in many contradictory terms, one thing is sure: He pre-existed us. He pre-existed the worlds. His existence reaches into the eternal past.

When Moses first wrote about the creation of heaven and earth, he did not even suggest a proper name for the Creator. He only said, "in the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth" (Genesis 1:1).

John 1:3 said that "All things were made by him; and without Him was not anything made that was made."

God has a specific identity - a specific name that He requires us to address Him by.

"God'? Is "God" His name?

Since Moses introduced us to the Creator without referring to Him by name, we have to look for whatever name significance we can find in this word "God".

The translators of the Hebrew language capitalized "God" when referring to the one true God. The Creator was not god, but God. The upper-case "G" subtly helps us to distinguish between the many gods and the one true God.

The ancient Hebrew language uses the word Elohiym in place of the English word God. Elohiym could be translated 'gods' as a common noun.

But in the Genesis story, elohiym is used as a proper noun, and indicates the Supreme God. In the so-called majestic plural, elohiym refers not to a plurality of gods or personages of god, but a plurality of virtues or attributes of the one true Spirit of God; at once manifesting the attributes of a multitude of lesser gods.

He is the Lord of lords.

In the Old Testament, God's names applied to particular attributes.

He came to be known by many names. In the days of Adam's son, Seth, "then began men to call upon the NAME of the LORD" (Genesis 4:26).

The English term, "lord" comes from the Hebrew term "Yehovah", and means "self-existent One."

When you combine Yehovah Elohiym, you say Lord God, or Self-existent One God.

Later, God told Moses in Exodus that He had appeared unto Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, "by the name of God ALMIGHTY, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them" (Exodus 6:3).

Five times in the book of Genesis, God (Elohiym) is used in conjunction with Almighty (Shaddai), (Genesis 17:1, 28:3, 35:11, 43:14, 48:3). So El Shaddai was God Almighty.

The scripture tells us that "Abram called upon the name of the LORD" (Genesis 12:8,21:33). In other words, Abraham was familiar with God by the name El Shaddai, but never knew the name Jehovah.

Eventually, all three names combined. Yehovah Elohiym Shadday, or the Self-existent One God Almighty.

It is critical to understand that the LORD is a single person

Moses said that Elohiym was "One Lord" in Deuteronomy 6:4.

He commanded the Hebrews, "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is One Lord".

That fact was held to be more important than all other facts of life. Every Jewish child had a monotheistic concept of God imposed upon his or her thinking so forcefully that absolutely no person but God the Father was allowed to be worshipped.

In the book of Job, Job asked, "Will ye accept His PERSON?", referring to God as one person.

In Genesis, Moses described a single person as creator when he said, "So God created man in His own image, in the image of GOD created He him" (Genesis 1:27).

What is the name of the ONE LORD?

It is unthinkable that the God of universal power and glory can be adequately named by merely capitalizing the common noun - god.

Even as human civilization multiplied and filled the earth, and men began to know God more fully, they still did not know how to properly address Him. His name was not given at first. It was a secret.

When Jacob wrestled with the Angel of the Lord, he asked "Tell me, I pray thee, thy NAME" (Genesis 32:27). The Angel would not tell him, but responded: "Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name?"

Later, Samson's father, Manoah, was also visited by the Angel of the Lord. Manoah wanted to find out what His name was, but was forbidden: "Why askest thou thus after my NAME, seeing it is SECRET" (Judges 13:18).

It would seem that the Angel of the Lord would be able to declare the NAME of the Lord, but not so.

There were numerous names ascribed to God given to us, but the highest, all-encompassing name was mysteriously withheld for centuries.

Something in the plan and purpose God prevented ONE SPECIAL NAME from being revealed. But it became more apparent that the earlier names were incomplete.

From the beginning, the significance of each name of God was confined to a particular attribute of God.

Yehovah was compounded with specific adjective-like names, such as Jehovah-jireh, Jehovah-nissi, and Jehovah-shalom.

Jireh implied Provider, and was introduced when God provided the ram in Isaac's stead on Mt. Moriah, (Genesis 22:14).

Nissi was introduced at an altar in the desert, when Moses declared the Lord to be his Banner of war against the Amelekites, (Exodus 17:15).

Shalom referred to the Peace that Gideon found in the presence of the Lord, (Judges 6:24).

Yehovah Rapha meant the Lord that Healeth, in Exodus 15:26.

There were no less than sixteen Jehovah names in all. NONE of them defined His name to be Salvation.

That fact is significant. God's SAVING name was not revealed in the Old Testament!

Isaiah did describe it, however, in an Old Testament prophecy. He said, "His NAME shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6).

God's highest and saving name was reserved for a very special time

Zechariah prophesied, "And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be ONE LORD, and His NAME ONE" (Zechariah 14:9).

ONE NAME FOR GOD! Think about it!

Consider all the great names ascribed to God through the ages. Then consider the implications of having them all reduced to one simple name, and you may begin to understand the importance of the name.

Elohiym had referred to the multifaceted nature of God, but it still sounded like a common noun, and had an almost generic meaning.

But a better name was going to come.

A Name was revealed by the Angel for the Incarnate Savior

It was not until the magnificent occasion of the Incarnation that God chose to unveil the highest name ever revealed.

It somehow had to be related to the fact that through all the ages, God had remained an invisible Spirit, showing Himself only on rare occasions in a variety of temporary forms, or Theophanies, (i.e., men, angels, apparitions, smoke, fire, clouds, whirlwinds, and in dreams and visions).

Since God had revealed Himself only partially, it was fitting that His name was also only partially revealed.

But when God finally became physically embodied in a human vessel, that is, when He was incarnated in the body of His infant human Son, God "made himself of no reputation, and took on him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:" (Philippians 4:7).

"And being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him", (referring to the human son), "and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of JESUS every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that JESUS Christ is LORD" (we have identified the Lord as Jehovah: the Self-Existent One), "to the glory of God the Father" (Philippians 2:8-11).

So Jesus is the Self-existent one, whom the ancient fathers knew as the Father, or Lord. Now He is incarnate in the human body of His son.

The name Jesus brought salvation

Until that time, men had approached God through a wide variety of names, none of which related to salvation.

Earlier names had offered healing, peace, provision, et cetera, but the angel had instructed Mary and Joseph that the son of God was to have a very special name.

"And thou shalt call his name JESUS, for he shall SAVE his people from their sins" (Matthew 1:21).

JESUS' name meant SALVATION. The roots of the Greek word Jesus trace to the Hebrew Jehoshua which is a combination of Jehovah (Self- existent One) and Yasha (Savior,) forming the highest name of Jehovah ever known: Jehovah-Yasha (Savior)!

JESUS is the all-encompassing name of God

It was the Father's undisclosed name: JESUS!

It was the Holy Spirit's secret name: JESUS!

And it was given to and revealed in the human Son: JESUS!

The Spirit's name was revealed in a man. The Son (human) prayed to the Father (Eternal Spirit) and said: "I have DECLARED unto them thy name, and will declare it" (John 17:26). In Hebrews 2:12, the Son again says, "I will DECLARE thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee."

The name the Son declared was JESUS. And he plainly told them that it was His Father's name!

Jesus told the Jews, "I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive" (John 5:43).

Since it was the Holy Ghost who conceived the infant in the womb of the virgin Mary, according to Luke 1:35, we must recognize the fact that the HOLY GHOST is the FATHER of Jesus Christ.

You can be sure that God the Father did not beget another deity.

There simply is no God the Son. That phrase is not to be found in the Bible, and for a reason.

Since the Holy Ghost was the Father, and the Father's name was Jehovah Savior (that is, JESUS), then the the name of the Holy Ghost is also Jehovah Savior (that is, JESUS).

If you have never realized or admitted it, now would be a good time to say it - 'The Father's name is Jesus. The Son's name is Jesus. And the Holy Ghost's name is Jesus.'

The only begotten son was a man, in which the Father was incarnate!

So the man, the Son, wore the name of the God who was in him. That name was Jesus.

He said, "I am come in my Father's name." We see then that the name Jesus belongs as much to the Father as it does to the Son.

Jehovah Savior is the Eternal Spirit and Jehovah Savior is embodied in the Son of Man.

When we speak the name Jesus we address the "fullness of God bodily" (Colossians 2:9).

Therefore we must conclude that Jesus' commandment in Matthew 28:19 to "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" can only be fulfilled when the name Jesus is actually pronounced, because there is no other name given under Heaven that simultaneously addresses the Spirit of God and the Son of Man as SAVIOR, the name whereby we MUST BE SAVED!

The entire remainder of the New Testament is conspicuously void of any illustrations of the Apostles ever baptizing their converts while pronouncing the titles "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" over them, for the simple reason that salvation is not in the titles, but in the name!

Sins are remitted in His name.

In fact, Jesus' own commandment was that REMISSION of sins should be preached IN HIS NAME (Luke 24:47).

The Apostles' own ministries confirmed their conviction that EVERY CONVERT should be baptized in the NAME of JESUS Christ.

The Old Testament remained in effect until the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Even the thief on the cross had to be saved under the Old Testament jurisdiction.

But New Testament guidelines changed everything.

No one was allowed to continue their ministry until first they "wait for the promise of the Father" (Acts 1:4), which Acts 1:5 identifies as the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.

One hundred twenty souls were "filled with the Holy Ghost, and spoke with other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance" (Acts 2:4) on the day of Pentecost.

Thousands of curious passersby hungrily desired the same experience. Peter preached to them the very first gospel message of the New Testament that day.

"Repent," he said, "and be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU in the NAME of JESUS Christ for the remission of sins, and ye SHALL receive the GIFT of the Holy Ghost" (Acts 2:38), (the gift being the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, with the evidence of speaking in other tongues).

"Then they that gladly received his word WERE BAPTIZED" (Acts 2:41), we must assume in the NAME of JESUS Christ, and, we must also assume, receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost. This involved an additional 3,000 souls.

It is easy to see the mountain of evidence showing the importance of calling upon the name of Jesus in baptism.

Peter's requirement to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ was in direct obedience to Jesus' command in Luke 24:47.

In fact, Jesus himself instructed Saul of Tarsus to present himself before a man named Annanias, where it would be "told thee what thou must do" (Acts 9:6).

On arrival, Annanias directed Saul to "Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, CALLING on the NAME of the LORD", (Acts 22:16).

Paul obediently was baptized, (Acts 9:19) and also received the gift of the Holy Ghost, (Acts 9:17b), speaking in tongues (I Corinthians 14:18).

The very first converts to Christianity from outside the Jewish nation were members of a Roman centurion's family, the household of Cornelius.

An angel instructed Cornelius to call for Peter. "He shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do", the angel said (Acts 10:6).

When Peter arrived, he preached JESUS to them. "While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on ALL them which heard the word," (Acts 10:44).

This occasion was of the very same kind which had happened to the JEWS on the day of Pentecost, but this time it was "on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God" (Acts 10:45b).

Peter repeatedly commanded baptism in Jesus' name

Not to stop short of full obedience, Peter immediately responded, "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

And he COMMANDED them to be baptized in the NAME of the Lord" (Acts 10:47,48).

The emphasis is on the fact that the NAME of JESUS is the SAVING NAME of God. We call upon the SAVING NAME to be saved.

Peter said, "Whosoever shall CALL on the NAME of the Lord shall be saved" (Acts 2:21).

Believers were rebaptized correctly if they had not been baptized in the name of Jesus

Paul preached in Ephesus to some of John the Baptist's followers. "He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism" (Acts 19:2-3).

Paul taught them that they were to "believe on him who should come after John, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the NAME of the LORD JESUS.

And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came upon them; and they spake with tongues and prophesied" (verses 4-6).

Here we observe the fact that water baptism without having called on the name of the Lord Jesus was actually null and void.

These converts of John the Baptist had been baptized in water unto repentance, but they were required to be rebaptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

And they, too, received the same gift of the Holy Ghost. "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" (Acts 4:12).

The power in the NAME is such that the enemies of God will invariably demand the church "not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus" (Acts 4:18).

The Apostle Paul, however, commanded quite the opposite: "And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the LORD JESUS" (Colossians 3:17).

"The NAME of the LORD is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into IT, and are safe" (Proverbs 19:10).

"He that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the NAME of the only begotten Son of God" (John 3:18).

"...in his name shall the Gentiles trust" (MATTHEW 12:21).

"Blessed is He that cometh in the NAME of the LORD" (Matthew 21:9).
I hope this helps. Love and Prayers Della Morton

[Child of the Kingdom]

Hello Della,
You tried your very best to present scripture to increase understanding. It doesn't seem to matter, does it? Bottom line is, Trinitarians don't agree with THE APOSTLES DOCTRINE, but won't come out and say it. They would rather call it ONENESS DOCTRINE, to justify going against the scripture.

Our Doctrine is the APOSTLES DOCTRINE, so all trinitarians need to say to be true to themselves is, THE APOSTLES WERE WRONG, WE ARE RIGHT, THE APOSTLES WERE DISOBEDIENT, WE ARE OBEDIENT, THE APOSTLES DISRESPECTED GOD'S ORDER, WE RESPECT IT, THE APOSTLES WERE IGNORANT AND UNLEARNED AND DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH BRAIN CELLS TO COMPREHEND THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD BUT WE TRINITARIANS, FULLY UNDERSTAND, THE APOSTLES DISAPPOINTED JESUS, BUT WE TRINITARIANS ARE THE APPLE OF HIS EYE, THE WRITINGS OF THE APOSTLES CAN'T BE TRUSTED, SO WE TRINITARIANS USE ARTICLES, MATERIALS WRITTEN BY PHILOSOPHERS AND THEOLOGIANS TO SUPPORT OUR DOCTRINE.

You get what I am saying Della? The real truth is, trinitarians disagree with many of the Apostles writtings, not just the baptism but Paul's teachings as well. They would rather say that these are the doctrines of men even though they are LINE UPON LINE IN THE SCRIPTURE.

THIS WAY, THEY DON'T FEEL SO BAD WHEN THEY CALL IT FALSE DOCTRINE. BUT THEY SHOULD JUST BE HONEST AND SAY, "WE TRINITARIANS DO NOT BELIEVE MUCH OF THE BIBLE, especially the verses, books and chapters written by GOD'S CHOSEN APOSTLES.

I REST MY CASE.

[Della Morton]

Well Said Ew! I am Leaving Now. I have provided more than enough scriptural proof that the Trinity is just not biblical. Therefore they get on the defensive and say we are heretics because we Believe in the apostles doctrine. Also we are called heretics because we don't believe in Church history(where Man had Changed The Word of God to their doctrine of the trinity.) other than what the bible says. I REST MY CASE too Sister EW! God Bless.Love In Christ,Della Morton

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

Of course you don't believe Church history, because YOU DON'T KNOW ANY OF IT!

[N'ZI Amani Germain]

Brothers and sisters in Christ:

Indeed, Jesus said: “All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him”.

Matthew 11:27

How can one know the Father if the Son doesn’t reveal Him to him/her?

It is essentially a question of revelation from God (Philippians 3:15, Matthew 11:25).

Human efforts can never do that.

So, let us pray for one another

Dear brothers and sisters, the Bible says:

“No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him”.

John 1:18

Thus, no one can know the Father if the Son doesn’t reveal Him to him/her.

Brother Germain can NEVER do that, the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father is alone able to reveal Who God is! Amen!

THERE IS ONE GOD.

By revelation, I do believe that In the Heaven, on the Throne, there are not three people seated side by side. There is only ONE PERSON sitting on the Throne. He is Jesus-Christ, the true God and eternal Life (1 John 5: 20).

Let us see Who John saw on the single Great White Throne of Judgment:

“Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them”.

Revelation 20:11

How many people, did John see on the Throne? ONE PERSON: Jesus, the Almighty God who will judge the living and the dead a His appearing and His kingdom:

“I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom”

2 Timothy 4:1

If the Bible says "before God AND the Lord Jesus Christ", is it because you see the word "AND", that you should believe that there are TWO PERSONS who will judge the living and the dead?

The Bible says".... at His appearing and His kingdom...."

"HIS" = ONE PERSON, ONE GOD, namely Jesus Christ. Amen!

Moreover, if the Bible says “Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb”.

Revelation 22:1

Jesus-Christ is the righteous Judge. It is Him who sat on the throne! There are not three people on the same throne! No!

"GOD AND THE LAMB" = ONE PERSON, ONE GOD, namely Jesus Christ. Amen!

God (YAHWEH) is the Holy Spirit.

“But they rebelled and grieved His Holy Spirit; So He turned Himself against them as an enemy, And He fought against them”.

Isaiah 63:10, John 4:24

« They made their hearts as hard as flint and would not listen to the law or to the words that the LORD Almighty had sent by his Spirit through the earlier prophets. So the LORD Almighty was very angry”.

Zechariah 7:12

Indeed, Jesus Christ was conceived in Mary from the same Holy Spirit of God.

It was the same Spirit Who led the Man Jesus into the desert to be tempted by the devil (Matthew 4:1).

It was the same Spirit Who anointed the Man Jesus (Acts 10:38).

It was the same Spirit Who dwelt inside the Man Jesus. The Almighty God was in the Man Jesus in order to save us.

Indeed, Jesus said:

“And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever- the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

“A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you”.

John 14:16-20

“…At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you”

It is the same Holy Spirit of God who lives in the believers:

Our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:19).

Moreover, the Bible says:

“And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.
Ephesians 2:22
God lives in us by His Holy Spirit, and the Spirit of God can never be a PERSON distinct, separate from Him!
This is the reason why the Bible says that the Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4), not the third PERSON OF THE TRINITY, BUT GOD HIMSELF. GOD IS SIPIRIT (John 4:24).
In the same way the Son, the Man Jesus is an other manifestation of the same God (1 Timothy 3:16), not a second PERSON of the trinity.
The man Jesus is called the Son of God, but He is an other manifestation of the same God. His is not an other person but the same Person, God Who is Spirit has been revealed in a body of flesh in order to save us.

This is the reason why the Bible says that “No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him”.

John 1:18

“In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe”.
Hebrews 1:1-2


Yahweh of the old Testament is Jesus-Christ in the New Testament.

Those who saw God in the Old Testament saw Him in the form of Eternal (Yahweh) and those who want to see Him in New Testament have to see Him in the form of the lord Jesus, as Emmanuel, God with us (Matthew 1 :23).

Truly speaking, THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT REPRESENT ONE PERSON: JESUS CHRIST.


The Son lives in the Father. The son lives in us and the Father lives in us. But we are inhabited by one Spirit, the Holy Spirit, Christ, the Almighty God (2 Corinthians 3: 17, Isaiah 63: 10).

JESUS SAID: “HE WHO SEES ME SEES HIM WHO SENT ME.” (John 12:45)

Indeed, God is Spirit (John 4: 24), consequently, He is invisible (1Timithy 6:16; 1:17; Exodus 33:20).

This is why the Bible declares:

“If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?”

1 John 4: 20

However, in the Old Testament, several people have seen God.
For example:

- Abraham had seen God (Yahweh). He had seen three Men. One of them was the LORD manifested in the flesh. The Almighty GOD took a body of flesh and ate with Abraham (Genesis 18: 1-33). AMEN!

-“Jacob had seen God face to face” (Genesis 32:30) AMEN!

- Moses, Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, had seen the God of Israel. They saw God, and they ate and drank (Exodus 24: 9). AMEN!

- The LORD spoke to Moses face to face, as a Man speaks to his friend (Exodus 33:11). AMEN!

- Gideon had seen the Lord face to face and had conversed with Him (Judges 6: 11-24).

- Manoah said to his wife, “We shall surely die, because we have seen God!” (Judges 13: 22). AMEN!

In conclusion, the same God (YAHWEH) who took a body of flesh, by which He ate and spoke face to face to His servants, formerly, is the same one Who came in the New Testament, bearing the name JESUS. JESUS is the name of the Father through which He saves us today.

Indeed, the Bible doesn’t teach that in Matt 3:16, 17 there were three PERSONS IN ACTION:

THE SON WHO WAS ON EARTH is God manifested in a Body of flesh(1 Timothy 3:16)

THE FATHER WHO WAS IN HEAVEN is God above us(Ephesians 4:5-6)

THE SPIRIT OF GOD DESCENDING LIKE A DOVE: The Spirit of God can not be a Person separate from God.

THERE IS ONE PERSON ON THE THRONE IN HEAVEN?

Was the Heaven empty when God (YAHWEH) took a body of flesh, came down on Earth, ate and spoke face to face to His servants?

Was the Heaven empty when the same God (YAHWEH) took a body of flesh came down on earth in the New Testament, bearing the name JESUS?

No!

"You came down on Mount Sinai; you spoke to them from heaven. You gave them regulations and laws that are just and right, and decrees and commands that are good".

Nehemiah 9:13

As you see, Jesus has a double nature: divine and human:

« What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before!”

John 6:62

Before, He was God (Yahweh). He became flesh, Son of Man in order to save us. He ascended where He was before. Then, He appeared to Saul on the Damascus road:

"And he said, “Who are You, Lord?” Then the Lord said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. It is hard for you to kick against the goads.”

Acts 9:5

In Heaven, there is Jesus alone. There aren’t two “Gods” (the Father and His son) sitting side by side on the throne. No!


Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit:

“Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty”.

2 Corinthians 3:17

Jesus Christ is Lord. Jesus Christ is God and God is Spirit.

“But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the HOLY SPIRIT and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to GOD.”

Acts 5:3-4

Ananias has lied to the Holy Spirit. Ananias has lied to God (Yahweh).
God (Yahweh) is the Holy Spirit: Please compare Isaiah 6:8-9 to Acts 28:25-27. Yahweh, the Holy Spirit spoke rightly through Isaiah the prophet to our fathers. Amen!
The Bible declares that Mary was found with child of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 1:18, Luke 1:35).

This Holy Spirit is Yahweh Himself; this is the reason why the Son (the body of flesh, the man Jesus) Who was born took the name “YAHSHUA” which means: “GOD SAVES”. JAHSHUA is God manifested in the flesh in order to save us.

That Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ (Galatians 4:6, Acts 16:7, Philippians 1:19).
That Spirit of Christ was in the Prophets of the Old Testament testifying beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow:
“ Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven - things which angels desire to look into”.

1 Peter 1:10-12

“THE HOLY SPIRIT SENT FROM HEAVEN”! Amen!

Not two, not three people; but only one person (God) appearing in various ways. Amen!

1)Jesus-Christ comes from the Holy Spirit

Matthew 1: 20; Luke 1: 35.

2) Jesus-Christ is the Holy Spirit

2 Corinthians 3: 17; 1 Peter 1: 10-12

3-Jesus-Christ is God(Yahweh)

-John 7: 29; 8: 42; 16: 30; 17: 8; Colossians 1: 15; 2: 9
- John 1: 1-14, 3: 13 ;16: 15, 5: 17-19 ; 8: 58 ; 10: 30 ; 12: 45 ; 20: 28 ; 14: 5-11.
- Mark 10: 18 ; 12: 29.
-1John 1: 2 ; 5: 20.
- Zechariah 12: 1-10; 14: 3-5.
- Isaiah 9: 5-6; Philippians2: 6-8; Romans 9: 5; 1Timothy 3: 16; Titus 2: 13; revelation 4: 8; Hebrews 1: 8-10; Matthew 1: 23.

4) There is one God (Yahweh). Yahweh is the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ is Yahweh manifested in the flesh (1Timothy 3:16; John 1:14)
Jesus-Christ (YAHSHUA) is the name of God who saves us. It is a marvellous name, carrying hope. It is the name above all the names.
“Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever”.

Hebrews 13:8

By deeply examining the texts of Zechariah and Matthew, we see that it is Yahweh who took a body of flesh called Jesus. He promised to come (Zechariah 2: 10-13).

The prophets of the Old Testament had announced is coming (Isaiah 9: 5-6) and wished to see the Messiah: God manifested in flesh (Isaiah 63: 17-19; Psalm 144: 5-7; 1 Peter 1: 10-12).

They prophesied of the grace that would come.
“To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins.”

Acts 10:43

In addition, hadn't Isaiah the Prophet already prophesied that the way of the LORD was to be prepared (Isaiah 40: 1-5)?
We realize that, this prophecy has been fulfilled in the New Testament by the ministry of John the Baptist (Matthew 3: 1-3, Malachi 3: 1-18).

Jesus was born with the human nature. He was the visible and divine equation (equality) of the invisible God (Yahweh), by taking the form of a bondservant, while becoming similar to the men:

«who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,”

Philippians 2:6-9

Do you understand the Word of God? “…And being found in appearance as a man…”

God (Yahweh) Who is SPIRIT has been found in appearance as a man (1 Timothy 3:16; John 1:14) and took the name YAHSHUA, namely “GOD SAVES”.

Indeed, Jesus-Christ had a double nature: divine and human. When in front of the tomb of Lazarus, He groaned in the spirit, was troubled and wept, He was similar to the men. He proves thus His humanity (John 11: 35).
However, when a few moments afterwards, He took authority on the death, He was fully God (John 11: 43-44).

His Divinity is thus expressed though the resurrection of Lazarus. Jesus, God manifested in flesh is the Resurrection and the Life. Amen!!!
Besides, God alone knows the thoughts of the hearts. In Jesus-Christ, in his body of flesh, God demonstrated this attribute of understanding of the thoughts (2 Chronicles 6: 30; Matthew 9: 4; Jeremiah 17: 10; Luke 24: 38).

This mystery is really great and happy is the one who can seize it! AMEN!

Who is Jesus who could say that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Him? (Luke 24: 44).

Bro. Germain

[Della Morton]

We need to ask ourselves a question here about Matthew 28:19. Are we going to repeat the words of this command or are we going to obey this command?

Let me share this example with you if I may. Let's say that you and I were working on an automobile and we needed a specific part and I say to you “‘John/Betty’ why don’t you go up to the parts store and charge this part we need to my account” and then you proceed to walk or drive to the parts store and select the part but instead of obeying and fulfilling what I told you to do, you say to the clerk exactly, word for word, what I had said to you and you speak to that clerk behind the counter and you say “‘John/Betty’ why don’t you go up to the parts store and charge this part we need to my account”. Well! That guy’s going to look at you like your crazy because you've left the clerk with no knowledge of who's account you mean or what authority or name you are trying to purchase the part under. If you were going to obey my directions what would you really do? You’d walk into that parts store and you’d say: Hey! Della Morton sent me up here to pick up this part and said to put it on her account the one in her name. That’s the difference between repeating and obeying this command. If we are going to obey what Jesus said to do in His command we’re going to have to find out what that specific name is of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. But hold on just a second - this Great commission was not only recorded in Matthew 28:18-20, this Great Commission was also recorded in Mark 16 and also in Luke 24:45-47 . (Note: Mark was written first – About 63 AD - and the other Gospels writers used it as a guide to follow to write their own accounts.)But Trinitarians don't WANT this or want to obey scripture. They rather repeat a command to keep their doctrine. How Sad. Only Jesus Can Wash away your Sins!
Well I gotta Go! I am Done in this forum Unless someone is truly sincere about their salvation.
The Bible Cannot Lie to you. God Bless !