An honest word to Christianity & Christians on this site. Please read every paragraph

[James Pierce]

Yahuah is the only one who we are to heed our ears to when He speaks. Yeshua only spoke what His father told Him, so in essence, the voice of Yahuah was in Yeshua. We listen to Yeshua because listening to Him is like listening to Yahuah our father. The sad thing is that many rather listen to a misquoted Apostle name Paul first, then heed the voice of Yahuah second. If Paul says its ok to eat blood, and Yahuah says not to eat blood.... the majority, as evident, would eat the blood because Paul said so.

Is that how we are to live? By the words of man, or by the words of Yahuah? Wide is the way to destruction, and many go there, but narrow is the way to life, and very few enter thereof. Most people would rather hear a false prophet than the voice of Yahuah. That was Israel's problem. They wanted false prophets and divinations to guide them, and they abandoned the voice of Yahuah and His teachings.

I believe that is what Christianity is doing. Christianity was built on the misquotions of a PHARISEE named Paul. According to Christianity, Paul says its ok to break the Sabbath, eat pork & shellfish, murder, committ adultery/fornication, eat blood, etc. It is ok to do these things because we're no longer under the Torah, but we are free in Christ. YAHUAH, on the other hand, says we are not to do, and eat such things. Is being free in Christ gives us the green light to violate the Torah?

Why be blinded by the fact that the earliest Christians kept the Torah? Why be blinded by the fact that the first Church was established in Jerusalem, where the Torah was being kept.. where the first 14 bishops were Hebrews? If Yeshua came back, will He recognize modern Christianity as something HE practiced with His Apostles?

Yeshua is our example... not Paul. Yeshua commanded the Apostles to go into the nations and teach them everything HE commanded. If Yeshua kept Torah, then why would He command His Torah keeping Apostles to teach people not to keep Torah? If Gentiles are coming into a HEBRAIC covenant, then why must we be different in obedience than the native Hebrews?

Paul was a Pharisee by his own confession. Believe it or not, but not all Pharisees were evil and hypocritical. Hillel the elder was a Pharisee.. a very compassionate one actually. In fact, Hillel was the grandfather of Gamaliel..... the man who nurtured and educated Paul in all the ways of Torah & the Prophets. 1 corin 11:1 shows Paul saying,"Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ." WHAT??? Imitate a Pharisee?????? Yes.. that is what Paul said. Imitate a Torah keeping Pharisee as he imitates a Torah keeping Messiah!

In conclusion, sinning is violating the Torah, and those who violate Torah are worthy of death and destruction. The Messiah had to be a perfect Messiah, without any violations(sin) of the Torah. If any time Yeshua violated the Torah, then He no longer is qualified to be our Messiah. According to Christianity, Yeshua broke the following laws of Torah:

1) The Sabbath.. in fact, he permitted the breaking of the Sabbath
2) The eating of unclean foods.. in fact, Yeshua said that eating unclean foods does not really matter to Yahuah

The reason why there are two is because Christianity only addresses these two, and honestly, these two are enough to DISQUALIFY Yeshua as being our Messiah. Why is Christianity following a sinful Messiah who broke and permitted these Torah laws?

The Messiah of the bible never broke any of His father's Torah, and He never taught others to break it. The Messiah of the bible kept and taught the Torah, and commanded His Apostles to go teach the Torah in the world. The Torah was apart of what Yeshua commanded. So, my word to Christianity is, focus on the voice of Yahuah & Yeshua, THEN, judge any Prophet & Apostle by their words. If their words are not in line with Yahuah & Yeshua, then they are to be utterly rejected, but if their words are in line, then they are true Prophets & Apostles.

The sad thing is that Christianity's focus is on the former--- the willingness to hear false Prophets & Apostles over the voice of Yahuah Himself, and His set apart Torah. I call all Christians on this site to repent of their violations of Torah, and set their hearts on the listening of the VOICE OF YAHUAH, and to the study & practice of His Torah, and faith in a TORAH KEEPING MESSIAH!

Shalom Aleichem,
James

[Hezekiah Ben Israel]

Brother Paul has been true to the God of Israel. Paul dropped the ball one time about the circumcision of the flesh of the Gentiles. He thought in not be good at the time to worry the Gentiles with circumcision of the flesh considering they had to teach them not to look on the animal sacrifice law, as a way to salvation, as a forgiveness of sin by God. That told them in their mind that it was ok to sin as long as they sacrifice the animals. This was Israels whole problem with believing in the Messiah. Now a days people confuse Paul's writtings, and Peter predicted it. If it were not for Paul to be asleep, he would turn over in his grave to hear people lying on him. Paul lied, or Paul said we don't have to keep the law. All of that is people wanting to believe their own thoughts and are not willing to believe that it is their own thoughts that they believe is truth. Paul is going to be into the kingdom because Gabriel told, and he wrote about it. Not in detail, but it is a bold statement that he makes, and only a person sure of themselves would have made that statement. You can say I am being offensive, but it is the truth. Very plain and simple.

[Chaplain Pat Harris]

Bro. James,

I can appreciate your desire to reach out to Christians and anyone else on BPN. But, as you have stated here about following false teachings, more specifically the Apostle Paul, it is imperative that when you make a direct quote, to post the scripture to back it up.

For example:
1. Paul says its ok to eat blood,
2. Paul says its ok to break the Sabbath, eat pork & shellfish, murder, committ adultery/fornication, eat blood, etc.

Please post the actual scriptures to the above statements - in other words, I need the scripture that states word-for-word what you have quoted above.

Bro. James, it appears you have taken this scripture out of context.
1 corin 11:1 shows Paul saying,"Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ." WHAT??? Imitate a Pharisee?????? Yes.. that is what Paul said. Imitate a Torah keeping Pharisee as he imitates a Torah keeping Messiah!

Paul was indeed a Pharisee, whose name then was Saul. Saul/Paul knew and loved the Torah and believed the Christian faith was a danger to Judaism, and therefore, he persecuted Christians with no mercy.

During Saul's journey to Damascus to capture Christians for the purpose of bringing them back to Jerusalem, God stopped him in his tracks on Damascus Road. Saul met Jesus.

Acts 9:3-16
And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus. And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink. And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord. And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight. Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem: And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name. But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

It was during his encounter with Jesus that Saul/Paul was converted and began to follow the instructions of Jesus. Saul, like the disciples of Jesus, became a Messianic Jew who ceased from persecuting the Christians. So, in his statement: "Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ" he is encouraging the people to follow Christ as he continues to follow Christ.

The bottom line here, is that many of us Christians have debated with you and others on this very issue of the OT Laws. There is no sense in beating a dead horse. And while I am willing to rethink my position on the Dietary Law, I am in no way in bondage to the OT Laws. As long as I follow the Great Commandment of Jesus, I will be following the 10 Commandments described in Exodus 20.

Salvation comes by faith in Jesus and His work on the Cross; not by obedience to the Laws only. Because if that was the case, then you are saying in so many words that Jesus gave His life in vain. God forbid! However, I'm sure that's not what you are really saying, but in essence that is exactly what you are saying.

Bro. James, at this point, this debate is in fact "dead" for the most part. What pleasure are you getting from this argument? Is it because you want to have the last word? If so, then so be it as far as this Forum goes, because the Bible clearly shows who, in fact has the last word.

Let's make an effort to move on to other topics, such as . . . .

1. How can we combat poverty?
2. What can we do to help those in need of employment?
3. How can we win the war on drugs?
4. How can we encourage all people to further their education and training skills?

I am sure there are many ways we can show the love of God to the world and to each other without shoving the Torah or Bible down their throats. Remember, action speaks louder than words; so let us encourage ourselves, as the Christian expression goes, to be doers of the Word.

Shalom in Jesus

[James Pierce]

Chaplain,

I'd love for you to re-read my post about what Paul said. I never said that Paul permitted violations of Torah. I said that its what Christianity faithfully holds to. You said that I took 1 Corin 11:1 out of context, well, I am open for correction if you know what Paul meant there.

None of us are in "bondage" of OT laws. They were never given as bondage in the first place(Deut 30:11 & 1 John 5:3). You can read those scriptures for more understanding. It is true that Paul was encouraging people to follow Yeshua as he did. That was exactly what I was saying hahaha. The fact is... Yeshua kept the Torah, and Paul kept the Torah.. therefore encouraging us to be like him, and of course, first and foremost, be like Yeshua. Was Yeshua in bondage of keeping Torah? If so, provide scripture...

Those topics you posted are not for this thread. You can create your own thread about poverty and education. I'd love to discuss those with you, but my mission is clear, and nothing and no one will stop me. Christianity WILL see the light, and it wont be the sun that they worship(if you know what I mean by that).

Shalom

[Chaplain Pat Harris]

So be it Bro. James,

I'm not here to argue. I have merely expressed my perspective on the topic of OT Laws.

However, I must move forward; therefore, I will leave this page as you continue your campaign on keeping the Torah.

Maybe we'll meet up again on another thread that does not deal with keeping the Torah. :-)

Peace and blessings unto you.

[James Pierce]

Chaplain,

Ezra 7:10 (Smiles).

Shalom

[Caral]

Sorry far too long, and I didn't need to read to know what you where going to say. James, can I ask.

Do you get bored of yourself??

[Hezekiah Ben Israel]

Sister Caral, Brother James just has a lot of zeal for the Lord. He needs to sharpen up his sword a little more, but he means well. That is why it is so imperative that we all have an understanding of the book, by the words, and not an interpretation that our minds came up with.

Peace be unto you all.

[Chaplain Pat Harris]

Bro. Hezekiah,

It is great that Bro. James has so much zeal for the Lord; but as I stated previously, is it necessary to beat a dead horse?

If one is not careful, he/she can enslave themselves just on this one topic, because they will not have any further desire to move forward in life.

Peace unto you as well.

[James Pierce]

Chaplain,

I will have to disagree with you. One thing was on the Prophets mind, and that was returning his people back to Yah, and obedience to Torah. But of course, there are other things to talk about.

[James Pierce]

Caral,

You can either respect and have general discussion, or leave.

[Hezekiah Ben Israel]

we should not engage in wrath Brother because we are representatives of the Word. They hated him first. We did not publish the Bible. The Lord gives the increase, we are to just put the Word out. You are not doing anything wrong, but it would work better to be kind considering we are the light. I had to learn that because O understand fully that it can get troublesome because of all the ignorance of the world. We have to look at at, who caused it? Who runs the world? It is the Lord. What did he tell us to do? Israel go and teach the sons and daughters of Adam, that they may know the name of the Lord. We are all in training for the prize, Brother, and that is eternal life.

Peace be unto you

[James Pierce]

Hez,

I am aware brother. I am not engaging in wrath. Rather, I stand on my word that either Caral discusses, or leave.