Apostleship vs. Apostolic Succession

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

A question was presented to me concerning the Apostleship...my Apostleship in particular.

"Regarding you being an Apostle, can you trace your apostleship back to the original 12 Apostles? If you can please start a new blog, listing all the men in your spiritual genealogy back to one of the 12.

Of what significance is it if the authority behind the hands laid on you, cannot be traced by, man to man to man, through the centuries to the original 12? Black people probably can't trace their spiritual genealogy back past slavery. Then you get into Protestant Europe, then back to the Roman Catholic church.

If you cannot list your spiritual lineage, I suggest that you refrain from using the term "Apostle".

The doctrine/idea this individual has set before me and us all to see is one called Apostolic Succession. This comes from a thought on the Papacy/Bishopric being able to trace its origins all the way back to the original twelve Apostles as a lineage/family tree.

There are several problems with such a doctrine, but for the sake of this conversation, I am going to approach it from the office of the Apostle. We Apostles do not trace our line all the way back from person to person, Apostolic fathers ordaining us along the line as time passes and people die. The Apostleship is not gained by such. Such an idea derives from the thought of a "monarchy", and not from the origin of the office. A king chooses his successor after him to fill the place of rulership.

Contrary to such, the Apostles do not choose who will be the next Apostle down the line. It is the LORD GOD the FATHER, the LORD JESUS, and GOD the HOLY SPIRIT who decide the next Apostle. Only in the case of the 12 did the LORD choose one to replace a fallen Apostle. This Apostle was Matthias (Acts 1). By definition, Judas has to be the Apostolic father of Matthias. This is heresy because Judas was dead already, so there was no "succession", but a replacement. Each Apostle is elected and ordained directly by the LORD JESUS Himself. Man cannot ordain an Apostle, only "affirm" his Apostleship. Paul was not ordained by any man on Earth. James, Peter, and John gave him and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, thus affirming their Apostleship (Galatians 2:7-10). If Paul was to trace his Apostleship back to the 12, then he wouldn't have said what he said in Galatians 1, or 1st Corinthians 9:1-2.

It was the Papacy and the "Episcopal Monarchy" that brought about the heresy of Apostolic Succession.

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

Than you sir! Its time people actually picked up their scriptures and not only really read what it says, but seek UNDERSTANDING of what was said!

[sharpspear]

Apostle , a shipping term implying one who delivered a message to distant lands. Sha'ul , was the Apostle to the Gentiles ( Europeans ) , and Ships were his primary way to deliver the message , which was Yahoshua, The One Name of Salvation ( Acts 4 : 12 ).

The other Apostles took the message to the Children of Israel that were scattered from Ethiopia to India , where most lived.
These set forth the activity of an Apostle , Travel to foreign lands. Deliver Salvation in The Name of Yahoshua MessiYah , with water and fire.

[Anna]

I disagree with your conclusions regarding where disciples were to go
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Yahshua said in Matt. 28:19 -

*Go ye therefore, and teach all nations,* baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

Since Yahshua told ALL of his disciples to go to "ALL NATIONS". Why should you limit their territory to ONLY Ethiopia and India?

If the disciples only went where you said they would have been disobedient to the Messiah wouldn't they?

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

Anna, lets answer your questions one by one:

#1) Are you alleging that our Messiah PERSONALLY PICKED YOU OUT to be an APOSTLE, the same way as He did Paul, Peter, James and John?

My meeting with the LORD JESUS face to face was not something I would "allegedly happened", it simply HAPPENED! HE didn't do it the same way as HE did with the 12, because HE didn't have to fast for a night. Nevertheless, HE did call me to this sacred office.

#2) Did you have a "Damascus Road" experience that you could share with us?

Read my profile. It gives the fast-forward version of what happened. I literally seen JESUS while I was in prison and ad HE came and sat down with me in my cell, and conversed with me for 3 days.

#3) Are you doing "signs and wonders and mighty works" of a Apostle? That is performing miracles, healing of the lame, raising the dead, curing people by cloths that have been on your body? Please share those miracles and mighty works with us, with Physician's names to confirm the healings you have performed.

A woman's womb had been healed by the speaking of the word of faith; a blind eye of an inmate was healed while I was incarcerated; casting out demons and other spiritual warfare since my first few days of salvation......but are these valid signs of an Apostle? No they are not. The #1 sign and wonder that an Apostle should be doing is leading people to CHRIST JESUS and making disciples for CHRIST, which I am doing. All other tricks the devil can duplicate. Even if I gave you a physician's number, you checking it wouldn't matter as far as confirming my Apostleship. My Apostleship is confirmed by the disciples for JESUS I raise up, not the amount of Churches I plant, or the miracles I perform per week. Truth be told, Apostle JESUS CHRIST (Hebrews 3:1) and the other Apostles did signs and wonders for only certain reasons: to bring the unbelievers to the faith (hence the term "sign"), and to fight the enemy's evil works an strongholds. Signs and wonders are to do NOTHING but point to the Gospel of JESUS and HIS Kingdom's dominion. Doubters and believers really don't see signs as often because the doubters doubt, and the believers believe already.


#4) Are you teaching the "apostles doctrines" which included the Sabbath, the biblical dietary laws?
I teach the Apostles doctrine which does NOT include Sabbaths and biblical diet. The Apostle's doctrine is found within the Epistles, and no where can you find your doctrine within the Epistles, Anna. You only quoted one verse out of Acts to hold to your doctrine. Understand that Acts is NOT a book of "doctrine", but the book of "Church history". This is why the Book of Acts of the Apostles never formally closed, because Apostles are still alive and working today, and the Church' history is technically still being written even as we speak! The books of doctrine are the Epistles. In the Epistles of the Apostles, they said this:

"Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him." Romans 14:1-3

"I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. Let not then your good be evil spoken of: for the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men. Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another. For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin." Romans 14:14-23

"As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) but to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse. But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; and through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend." 1st Corinthians 8:4-13

The verse you used in Acts was only one verse and very biass. Lets see exactly what happened here:

"And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven." Acts 10:10-16

This Epistle was sent out by the Apostles to everyone:

"And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia. Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well." Acts 15:23-29

[Anna]

I will divide my responses to you into sections:

My original question:
#1) Are you alleging that our Messiah PERSONALLY PICKED YOU OUT to be an APOSTLE, the same way as He did Paul, Peter, James and John?

Your response:
My meeting with the LORD JESUS face to face was not something I would "allegedly happened", it simply HAPPENED! HE didn't do it the same way as HE did with the 12, because HE didn't have to fast for a night. Nevertheless, HE did call me to this sacred office.
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With that question answered, tell us about your baptism.

Who baptised you?
When were you baptised, (at what age) and was it before or after you were chosen by "Jesus" to be an apostle?


Did this entity that appeared to you in your prison cell tell you that his name was Jesus?

What did it look like?
What "race", what type of hair, what type of clothing did he wear?

Did anyone else see "Jesus" when he was in your prison cell?

Did he leave the cell when you left, or did he just wait there for you when you went out to eat or exercise etc.

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

Who baptized you? Pastor Sheldon Ferguson, under the direct leadership and in the presence of of Senior Pastor L. and Bishop James W. Ferguson, Mt. Olivet Gospel Church. What does this have to do with anything???

When were you baptized, (at what age) and was it before or after you were chosen by "Jesus" to be an apostle? Before my prison sentence at the age of 19. It was at a time that I didn't fully take my life seriously, and walked back into a life of gang violence.


Did this entity that appeared to you in your prison cell tell you that his name was Jesus? HE didn't need to. I asked Him to show Himself to me with a condition. The condition was if HE made Himself real to me, than I would serve the LORD for the rest of my existence; if not, then I would tell everyone everywhere that JESUS was a fraud and a liar, a GOD who turned His back on me. Basically, His name was on the line, and the Bible says "HE leads me in the paths of righteousness for HIS name's sake".

What did it look like? What "race", what type of hair, what type of clothing did he wear? He showed up as pure light, with no race. It was as if the sun came out of the sky and sat on my bed in the form of a man, proving His word to be true (Malachi 4:2)

Did anyone else see "Jesus" when he was in your prison cell? No, it was only me in my cell.

Did he leave the cell when you left, or did he just wait there for you when you went out to eat or exercise etc.? I didn't leave the cell at all. I was in the box on 24 hr lockdown for 40 days and 40 nights for a violent incident that put my life in danger for the rest of the that year. He appeared then left at evening, and would come again in the day. It as Him in that cell that told me to love my enemies.

Anna, you are so simple with your questions, you get no where. You questions aren't looking for revelation but accusation. Lets ask these questions to you now:

-Who is JESUS to you? IS HE GOD?
-Is JESUS an Apostle?
-Does JESUS still appear to people, speak to people, and heal just as His word says, or has that stopped?
-If JESUS does appear to people, what race does HE appear as?
-Are there only 12 Apostles in the scripture, or are there more?
-Are there Apostles still today, or has that stopped?

[Anna]

Good Evening:
The questions I asked you are not simple, they are no different than what was revealed by Paul's damascus experience. Are you calling that information given about Paul's conversion simple? Does it bother you to share that information?

We are warned about being that show up as light you know, by Paul in:

2 Cor.11
[14] And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

If this being came teaching you anything contrary to what is found in the scriptures, then it wasn't our "Messiah" who showed up in your prison cell....

I cannot say whether or not our Messiah has or will appear to anyone, or how He may appear if he so chooses. We can know for certain, that He will not teach anyone differently today than what He taught His disciples when He was on earth.

Interestingly the sign of an Apostle, also includes to some scholars the requirement that they saw Messiah on earth either before or after the resurrection. That would obviously EXCLUDE anyone alive today.

Our Messiah was considered to be an Apostle according to:

Heb.3
[1] Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

What is the nature of our Messiah? I do not add or take away from what the scripture says:

Matt. 16:
[16] And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.[17] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Those who call themselves Apostles today, are sent by those whose teachings they uphold and promote. If you teach differently from the Messiah, and the Scriptures, you in no way can be one of His Apostles. You are an Apostle rather of the man or church, whose teachings you promote.

[Anna]

Trevor:
Looks like you are teaching contrary to the Torah, and contrary to our Messiah and contrary to Paul, as he plainly states:

1 Cor. 6:17 -
"Therefore, COME OUT FROM THEIR MIDST AND BE SEPARATE," says the Lord.
"AND DO NOT TOUCH WHAT IS UNCLEAN; And I will welcome you.

The clean and unclean food laws were not done away as you and so many falsely teach.

The "clean and unclean" distinctions were known even in Noah's day:

Gen. 7:2 -
Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of
beasts that [are] not clean by two, the male and his female.

The "clean and unclean" distinctions are still taught in the Book of Revelation:

Rev.18
[2] And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

The Greek for the term "unclean" in both 1 Cor. 6:17; Rev. 18 is

"akathartos"

1) not cleansed, unclean

a) in a ceremonial sense: that which must be abstained from according to the levitical law

b) in a moral sense: unclean in thought and life

Paul even speaks of unclean children simply because they are children of unbelievers and unclean men.

Peter stated in Acts 15, that he had never touched anything "unclean".

What makes you think that we are to "eat" unclean things today since the Bible does not teach that this distinction was done away?

Your problem is that you try to correct the OT from the new, when repeatedly we are

The "Priests" of the Most High will ALWAYS teach YHWH's people the difference between the Holy and Unholy, the "Clean and Unclean":

Ez. 44:23
And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.

Since you don't know the difference, how can you be an Apostle or a Priest to YHWH? Yahshua NEVER sent anyone to teach contrary to His Father's word.....

Yet future, the "Highway of Holiness" described in Is 35:38
"And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it [shall be] for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err [therein]."
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You my friend will not be allowed to walk thereon... have you made your God your belly? That you must eat swine and other creatures that YHWH created to be the trash cans of the earth and specifically stated that we are not to eat them?
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If you are eating the unclean things" spoken of in Lev. 11 & Deut. 14, you are "unclean" and will not be allowed passage on that FUTURE "Highway of Holiness"?.

No, YHWH, nor Yahshua has called you to be an Apostle for either of them since what you teach contradicts their words, and the words of the Prophets and Biblical Apostles say.

A Berean, searching the Scriptures" Genesis -Malachi" would come to the same conclusion...

You obviously have "sent youself".... as YHWH directly describes through Jeremiah:

Jer. 29:9-
9 For they prophesy falsely unto you in My name; I have not sent them, saith the LORD.

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

Anna, you said:

"I cannot say whether or not our Messiah has or will appear to anyone, or how He may appear if he so chooses."
Then you said:
"Interestingly the sign of an Apostle, also includes to some scholars the requirement that they saw Messiah on earth either before or after the resurrection. That would obviously EXCLUDE anyone alive today."

Which one is it? Either you won't say that Messiah won't come to a person, or you will say that Messiah won't come to a person?

The clean/unclean thing, you say I teach contrary to the Bible, but I do not. I teach according to the new covenant, not the old covenant. Apostle Paul said this within the new covenant in Romans 14:14-23

14I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

15But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

16Let not then your good be evil spoken of:

17For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

18For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.

19Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.

20For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.

21It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

22Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.

23And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Apostle Paul also said this in 1st Corinthians 8:

1Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.

2And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

3But if any man love God, the same is known of him.

4As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

7Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.

8But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.

9But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.

10For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;

11And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?

12But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.

13Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.

Food does not stop me from being an Apostle, just as food cannot stop you from being a woman! To say that food would restrict my Apostleship is to say absolute FOOLISHNESS! As far as to if I am an Apostle, I hold to what Apostle Paul said concerning his Apostleship:

"Am I am not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord? If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord."- 1st Corinthians 9:1-2

The disciples of CHRIST that I am charged to raise up are my proof. If you think that someone eating pork, or someone not doing "enough" signs and wonders to your liking, or that you doubt that they seen JESUS or not has very little to do with my ministry work. If I were preaching a false Gospel, ok. If I taught murder, or altered scripture, then alright. But food?!?!?! You sound like the Pharisees who had a fit over the Apostle eating on the Sabbath, or when they said the Gentiles were to be circumcised and keep the Law! (Acts 15)

My whole story is laid out for all to see, and I have no problem with telling more of my life story. Shame and cover-up are not my game. I told the good and the bad. However, judging from your profile, I cannot say that about you. Your faith and background is shroud in mystery. Before I go on trial, how about revealing who you are? The accused has the right to face their accuser.

[Anna]

John the revelator tells us the fate of the "abominable".

Rev. 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the ****abominable****, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Does the NT tell you how you become "abominable"? No it does not. You have to refer to the First Testament to answer this question. Isn't that what a Berean would do, search the scriptures?

I will assist you in doing so. Note

Deut 14:
3 Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing. 4 These are the beasts which ye shall eat: the ox, the sheep, and the goat, 5 The hart, and the roebuck, and the fallow deer, and the wild goat, and the pygarg, and the wild ox, and the chamois. 6 And every beast that parteth the hoof, and cleaveth the cleft into two claws, and cheweth the cud among the beasts, that ye shall eat. 7 Nevertheless these ye shall not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the cloven hoof; as the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof; therefore they are unclean unto you.

8 And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass.

Remember Paul said 'TOUCH NOT THE UNCLEAN THING". You don't know what is unclean either except you refer to YHWH's instuctions, as you see the Pig/Swine is unclean.

Should you touch the UNCLEAN swine when the NT plainly says "TOUCH NOT"?

[Anna]

John the revelator tells us the fate of the "abominable".

Rev. 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the ****abominable****, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Does the NT tell you how you become "abominable"? No it does not. You have to refer to the First Testament to answer this question. Isn't that what a Berean would do, search the scriptures?

I will assist you in doing so. Note

Deut 14:
3 Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing. 4 These are the beasts which ye shall eat: the ox, the sheep, and the goat, 5 The hart, and the roebuck, and the fallow deer, and the wild goat, and the pygarg, and the wild ox, and the chamois. 6 And every beast that parteth the hoof, and cleaveth the cleft into two claws, and cheweth the cud among the beasts, that ye shall eat. 7 Nevertheless these ye shall not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the cloven hoof; as the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof; therefore they are unclean unto you.

8 And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass.

Remember Paul said 'TOUCH NOT THE UNCLEAN THING". You don't know what is unclean either except you refer to YHWH's instuctions, and as you should know, the Pig/Swine is unclean. In most countries, they are dung/feces eaters. As a matter of fact, the swine you get in the USA from China, that is how they are fed:

Trevor, you see it is not ME that is saying that YHWH forbids us to eat swine's flesh, but it is YHWH Himself, and in this future prophecy, HE states that those that eat swine will be destroyed!

Is 66:
15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.

17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, ***eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.***
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Now Adam and Eve disregarded YHWH's command not to eat the fruit of the forbidden tree. YHWH did not give up His right to restrict what we eat. But if you flagrantly disobey Him, like Adam and Eve did, now you know what HE says is in store for you.....

You see the sin that brought evil into the world, was involving what Adam and Eve ATE. The value or significance of that fruit was negligible, however it was the disobedience that YHWH was concerned with. Their god became their BELLY. Is that who your god is, if you disobey what YHWH says to eat and eat what you choose like Adam and Eve, you or not obeying YHWH, you are obeying your own BELLY!

Your disobedience will be rewarded in like manner.....

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

Lets see what JESUS said in Matthew 15:17-19:

"Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:"

Lets see what Paul says in comparison to that in Romans 14:14:

"I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean."


What did Paul say is abomidable in Romans 1:20-32:

20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Paul spoke of homosexuality being abominable. Where do you stand on such an abomination? Lets see:

May 5, 2009 at 3:58pm. This is the date and time that you left a comment in a blog concerning homosexuality in the Church. At a time when a certain Prophetess said that homosexuality was an abomination, you quickly through out there that eating certain food is also. Rather than agree with the fact that homosexuality is an abomination, you try to bring accusation against another for food?? Now here instead of finding fault in some legitimate, you turn to food again!?!!? Whats with you and food???? Is food more important to you than such issues and homosexuality and false gospels? I'm glad that you will not be judging the people in the end, for it seems that you would sooner let the homosexual in than the person who had a porkchop!

Once again, I bring this right back to you. Who are you? What is your background, since you know mine? Let BPN know for real......