You will be amazed at what you’ve NOT been taught about tithing....
Let's start with all the texts in the Bible that refer to Tithing. As you will see that the Tithe was exclusively taken from the land and the flock, not from income, and given in addition to the Levite, (who could prove his priestly heritage) but also to the widow, orphan and stranger. The offerer himself did not tithe every year, but gave part of the tithe to these different recipients. In other words, the tithe did not all go to the temple/storehouse:
Gen.14
[20] And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
Lev.27
[30] And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD.
[31] And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.
[32] And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.
Num.18
[24] But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance.
[26] Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, even a tenth part of the tithe.
[28] Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the LORD of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the LORD's heave offering to Aaron the priest.
Deut.12
[6] And thither ye shall bring your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, and your tithes, and heave offerings of your hand, and your vows, and your freewill offerings, and the firstlings of your herds and of your flocks:
[11] Then there shall be a place which the LORD your God shall choose to cause his name to dwell there; thither shall ye bring all that I command you; your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the heave offering of your hand, and all your choice vows which ye vow unto the LORD:
[17] Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:
Deut.14
[22] Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
[23] And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
[28] At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:
Deut.26
[12] When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and hast given it unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled;
2Chr.31
[5] And as soon as the commandment came abroad, the children of Israel brought in abundance the firstfruits of corn, wine, and oil, and honey, and of all the increase of the fields; and the tithe of all things brought they in abundantly.
[6] And concerning the children of Israel and Judah, that dwelt in the cities of Judah, they also brought in the tithe of oxen and sheep, and the tithe of holy things which were consecrated unto the LORD their God, and laid them by heaps.
[12] And brought in the offerings and the tithes and the dedicated things faithfully: over which Cononiah the Levite was ruler, and Shimei his brother was the next.
Neh.10
[37] And that we should bring the firstfruits of our dough, and our offerings, and the fruit of all manner of trees, of wine and of oil, unto the priests, to the chambers of the house of our God; and the tithes of our ground unto the Levites, that the same Levites might have the tithes in all the cities of our tillage.
[38] And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house.
Neh.12
[44] And at that time were some appointed over the chambers for the treasures, for the offerings, for the firstfruits, and for the tithes, to gather into them out of the fields of the cities the portions of the law for the priests and Levites: for Judah rejoiced for the priests and for the Levites that waited.
Neh.13
[5] And he had prepared for him a great chamber, where aforetime they laid the meat offerings, the frankincense, and the vessels, and the tithes of the corn, the new wine, and the oil, which was commanded to be given to the Levites, and the singers, and the porters; and the offerings of the priests.
[12] Then brought all Judah the tithe of the corn and the new wine and the oil unto the treasuries.
Amos.4
[4] Come to Bethel, and transgress; at Gilgal multiply transgression; and bring your sacrifices every morning, and your tithes after three years:
Mal.3
[8] Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
[10] Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
"NEW TESTAMENT"
Matt.23
[23] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Luke.11
[42] But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Luke.18
[12] I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Heb.7
[5] And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
[6] But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
[8] And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
[9] And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
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Gen.14
[20] And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
Lev.27
[30] And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD.
[31] And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.
[32] And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.
Num.18
[24] But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance.
[26] Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, even a tenth part of the tithe.
[28] Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the LORD of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the LORD's heave offering to Aaron the priest.
Deut.12
[6] And thither ye shall bring your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, and your tithes, and heave offerings of your hand, and your vows, and your freewill offerings, and the firstlings of your herds and of your flocks:
[11] Then there shall be a place which the LORD your God shall choose to cause his name to dwell there; thither shall ye bring all that I command you; your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the heave offering of your hand, and all your choice vows which ye vow unto the LORD:
[17] Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:
Deut.14
[22] Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
[23] And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
[28] At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:
Deut.26
[12] When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and hast given it unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled;
2Chr.31
[5] And as soon as the commandment came abroad, the children of Israel brought in abundance the firstfruits of corn, wine, and oil, and honey, and of all the increase of the fields; and the tithe of all things brought they in abundantly.
[6] And concerning the children of Israel and Judah, that dwelt in the cities of Judah, they also brought in the tithe of oxen and sheep, and the tithe of holy things which were consecrated unto the LORD their God, and laid them by heaps.
[12] And brought in the offerings and the tithes and the dedicated things faithfully: over which Cononiah the Levite was ruler, and Shimei his brother was the next.
Neh.10
[37] And that we should bring the firstfruits of our dough, and our offerings, and the fruit of all manner of trees, of wine and of oil, unto the priests, to the chambers of the house of our God; and the tithes of our ground unto the Levites, that the same Levites might have the tithes in all the cities of our tillage.
[38] And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house.
Neh.12
[44] And at that time were some appointed over the chambers for the treasures, for the offerings, for the firstfruits, and for the tithes, to gather into them out of the fields of the cities the portions of the law for the priests and Levites: for Judah rejoiced for the priests and for the Levites that waited.
Neh.13
[5] And he had prepared for him a great chamber, where aforetime they laid the meat offerings, the frankincense, and the vessels, and the tithes of the corn, the new wine, and the oil, which was commanded to be given to the Levites, and the singers, and the porters; and the offerings of the priests.
[12] Then brought all Judah the tithe of the corn and the new wine and the oil unto the treasuries.
Amos.4
[4] Come to Bethel, and transgress; at Gilgal multiply transgression; and bring your sacrifices every morning, and your tithes after three years:
Mal.3
[8] Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
[10] Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
"NEW TESTAMENT"
Matt.23
[23] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Luke.11
[42] But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Luke.18
[12] I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Heb.7
[5] And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
[6] But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
[8] And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
[9] And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
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Permalink Reply by ShekinahLife on
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Shalom ~~In order to understand "Tithing" one must first understand the very roots of giving and that would bring us to Tzadakah'
Tzedakah - Charity
"Kol Yisrael arevim zeh bazeh." ="All YIsrael is responsible for one another." (Talmud Shavuot 39a)
Proverbs 29:7, "The righteous considereth the cause of the poor:~ but the wicked regardeth not to know it."
To learn Tzadakah from the heart one must first be acquainted with the intimate love of Ha’Shem...Then as a Hasidim He will then go about doing good.
And why would we then go about doing 'Good’
It is written:::Devarim 7:6-8-
" For thou art an holy people unto YHVH thy G-d: YHVH thy G-d hath chosen thee to be a special people unto Himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth....
YHVH did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:... But because YHVH loved you, and because he would keep the oath which He had sworn unto your fathers, hath YHVH brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Mitzeraim.
Because of the Masters great Love on the obedient children YIsrael'
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Permalink Reply by Paul Williams on
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Churches of Christ seek to restore the New Testament pattern in giving. We are to do "all in the name of the Lord Jesus" (Colossians 3:17), that is, at his direction, because he told us to do so. We must neither add to nor subtract from his word (Compare Revelation 22:18,19). Let us therefore see what Jesus has directed us to do with our goods.
PURPOSE TO GIVE
The church of God in Corinth (2 Corinthians1:1) was told to purpose in their hearts to give (2 Corinthians 9:7). Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, p. 820, says the word "purpose" means "to choose for oneself, before another thing (prefer), i.e. (by impl.) to propose (intend)." To purpose therefore is to willingly pre-determine what we will give, rather than haphazardly giving.
EACH ONE WHO PROSPERS
"Every one" who prospers is to "lay by him in store" (1 Cor. 16:2). The rich, middle class, and poor who prosper are directed by Jesus to give. Each Christian is to carry his/her part of the load (cf. 2 Cor. 8:13-15). Such was the case in Mark 12:41-44, though the poor widow was proportionately carrying the greater part of the load. Jesus praised her.
CHEERFULLY
Those who give are not to give "grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver" (2 Cor. 9:7). "Cheerful" is from the Greek word HILAROS, meaning, "...readiness of mind...joyousness... cheerful (Eng. hilarious)...'to cause to shine'" (Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, Vol. I, A-D, p. 184). Christians are glad rather than sad to give to the Lord. They are willing contributors rather than reluctant givers who contribute because they are obligated to do so.
AS PROSPERED
The inspired word of God (2 Tim. 3:16,17) instructs us to give according to our prosperity (1 Cor. 16:1,2). Much is required of those to whom much is given (cf. Luke 12:48). One's giving will vary according to one's salary. The more one makes the more one is required to give. If you are still giving what you did before your last raise(s), and if you were properly giving then, you cannot now be giving according to your prosperity. Giving according to one's prosperity means giving according to the number of pay checks one has received. Fifty-two pay checks means fifty-two contributions, not fifty-one or less. Fewer than fifty-two would be giving less than one had prospered. It would be robbing God (cf. Malachi 3:8-10). Christians are to give bountifully if they expect to reap bountifully (2 Cor. 9:6; Luke 6:38; Matthew 6:33). Those who sow sparingly will reap sparingly. Romans 12:8 says those who give (i.e., impart) are to do so with simplicity (i.e., liberality). Examples of God-approved givers are the Macedonians who gave beyond their power (2 Cor. 8:1-4), and the poor widow of Mark 12:41-44. God gave his only begotten Son (John 3:16). Jesus gave his life a ransom for many (Mark 10:45).
FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK
The order Paul gave the churches of Galatia and the Corinthian Church for the collection was "upon the first day of the week" (1Cor. 16:1,2). Thus "the first day of the week" is God's pattern for the collection, not daily as some do in revivals, or through suppers, lotteries and rummage sales, or from begging friends and businesses. We also learn that the collection is to be taken EVERY week. "The first day of the week" comes around every week. The language is the same as that in Acts 20:7, and means the same - every week. We understand a banker to mean every month when he uses similar language. For example: He may say, "The note is payable upon the first day of the month." We understand him to mean each month. Too, the article "the" before week in 1 Corinthians 16:2 is from the Greek word KATA, meaning and elsewhere translated "every" (cf. Acts 14:23). Those converted on the day of Pentecost continued steadfastly in the "fellowship" (Greek, KOINONIA, also translated "contribution;" cf. Acts 2:42 and Romans 15:26).
SOME "NOTS"
We are not to be covetous (Col. 3:5). Neither are we to lay up treasures upon earth, but in heaven (Matt. 6:19-21). We are not to give to be seen of men, else we will receive no reward (Mat. 6:1-4). We are not to give grudgingly or of necessity (2 Cor. 9:6). We are not to sow sparingly (2 Cor. 9:7). Neither are we to give God the scraps (what is left over), but the firstfruits of our labors (Matt.6:33). We figure our taxes on our gross income, yet many want to give to God based upon less than their net income, or what is left after taxes, rent, food, and such like have been deducted. That is not giving according to one's prosperity. It is not in harmony with the song we sometimes sing. GIVE OF YOUR BEST TO THE MASTER.
CONCLUSION
"It is more blessed to give than to receive" (Acts 20:35). Giving is a grace (2 Cor. 8:1-7), which proves one's love (2 Cor. 8:8,9). It is a sin to know to give, but not do so (James 4:17). Let us be faithful to God to do what he has outlined, and content neither to add to nor subtract from his word. Let us do as God has directed, as did Noah: "According to all that God commanded him, so did he" (Genesis 6:22). May we give liberally so that the saving gospel (good news, Rom 10:13-14) of Jesus Christ may be preached to the lost of every nation (Mark 16:15,16; Matt. 28:19), taught to the saved (1 Cor. 14:12; Matt. 28:20), and the destitute may be relieved (Gal. 1:2; 6:10). -
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Permalink Reply by Russell Earl Kelly, PHD on
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Gen.14:20 was a spoils of war tithe in obedience to common pagan Canaanite tradition seen also in 14:21. It was not a holy tithe off a holy land. Nothing Abraham did with pagan spoils is followed by churches today.
Lev.27:30-34 shows that the tithe was (1) only food from inside Israel, (2) the tenth and not the first, (3) the tenth and not the best and (4) the tithe was a small part of the whole law to be obeyed in order to be blessed (Gal 3:10).
Num.18:1-20-28 is the tithing statute itself. If teaches that (1) workers for God who receive tithes were not allowed to own or inherit property, (2) the first tithe went to the Levite servant to the priest, (3) the Levite gave the best of their tithe to the priests (1%) (4) the tithe was only food from inside Israel, (5) tithes and firstfruits are not the same thing and (6) anybody attempting to enter the sanctuary other than priests were to be killed. None of this chapter is followed by churches today.
Deut.12:1-19 and 14:22-26 are discussing the second yearly festival tithe which was eaten in the streets of Jerusalem as a national pot luck. The increase could only come from what God miraculously provided and could not come from what man crafted.
Deut 14:28-29 and 26:12-13 discuss the third-year poor tithe which was kept in the home and distributed to the poor Levites and others.
2 Chr.31:5-6 describes a mistake by the king when he commanded the tithes to be brought to Jerusalem. They rotted in the streets. The result in 31:12-19 is that men were appointed to return the tithes to the Levitical cites where they belonged per Nehemiah 10:37-39.
Neh.10:35-39 teaches (1) that firstfruits were different from tithes (35-37a), (2) that tithes must first be brought to the Levitical cities (37b), and (3) that Levites and priests were responsible for bringing portions of the tithes to the temple as needed (38-39; Mal 3:10).
Neh.12:44 discusses the portions needed to feed the Levites and priests who rotated every 24th week to serve in the temple. The temple could not hold all the tithe of the nation (98% of which was needed in the Levitical cities to feed the other courses).
Neh.13:5-12 teaches (1) how 2 small rooms for the tithe were changed into one large room to house Nehemiah's enemy, (2) how all of the tithe of the nation could not fit into the temple, (3) how the priests under Eliashib STOLE the tithe from the Levites, (4) how the Levites returned to their Levitical cities in order to eat, and (5) how an emergency restocking of the temple tithe food was required.
Amos.4:4 is irrelevant. It is in the context of worshipping two golden calves in Bethel and Dan and calling them Jehovah.
Mal.3:8-10 is out of context. (1) It is in the context of the Old Covenant and Old Law given only to national Israel (1:1-5; 4:4). (2) Tithes were still only food (3:10-12). (3) The priests had been cursed for stealing (1:13-14; 2:2). (4) The "you" of 3:10 must still refer to the priests from 1:6 and 2:1 whom God was cursing. And (5) according to Neh 10:37-39 the priests, not the people, were responsible for bringing tithes into the temple.
Matt.23:23/Luke 11:42 (1) are not New Testament. They are before Calvary, (2) are discussions of matters of the law, (3) Jesus could not have told his Gentile converts to tithe and (4) no church literally tells its members to tithe garden spices and count them.
Luke.18:12 The only times Jesus mentioned tithes was to condemn tithe-payers of abuse.
NEW TESTAMENT AFTER CALVARY
Heb.7:5 is the first use of "law, commandment and tithe" in Hebrews and gives the words their context.
Heb 7:12 says that the law (of tithes to support the Levitical priesthood in 7:5) must be changed because Melchizedek was not from Aaron or Israel.
Heb 7:18 says that the "change" was the annulment of the commandment (to take tithes) to support the Levitical priesthood because of the better covenant (7:19). -
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Paul Williams writes:::Churches of Christ seek to restore the New Testament pattern in giving.
Well first you have left the foundation far behind it seems,... and without a true understanding and a true foundation all you can do is whip the flock with fluffy bunny concepts to build the infrastructure of the Modern day church.
A true Tzaddik you are not,... a real Prophet of YAHweh always brings the people back to Historical Torah'
Some folks really need a wake up to what it means to "come out of her"
I might remind a few folks the Messiah Stated He did not come to replace the TORAH [law] which means Instructions,... But mores so to Fulfill them.
Fulfill' in the Hebrew Idiom which is the Root of all religion is to Walk it out...Yochannon stated it walk in his discourse stating those who Say they 'ABIDE' in the walk of Yeshua should WALK as He walked. -
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Permalink Reply by Anna on
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Your message began with a quote from a book stating:
"Well first you have left the foundation far behind it seems"
The foundation for this discussion group was provided with my first message, when I quoted the Torah, and all the occurrances of the word "tithe(s)" found there. Reread my initial post, the quotes I made from the Torah are below:
Gen.14
[20] And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
Lev.27
[30] And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD.
[31] And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.
[32] And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.
Num.18
[24] But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance.
[26] Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, even a tenth part of the tithe.
[28] Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the LORD of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the LORD's heave offering to Aaron the priest.
Deut.12
[6] And thither ye shall bring your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, and your tithes, and heave offerings of your hand, and your vows, and your freewill offerings, and the firstlings of your herds and of your flocks:
[11] Then there shall be a place which the LORD your God shall choose to cause his name to dwell there; thither shall ye bring all that I command you; your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the heave offering of your hand, and all your choice vows which ye vow unto the LORD:
[17] Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:
Deut.14
[22] Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
[23] And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
[28] At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:
Deut.26
[12] When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and hast given it unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled;
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Anna Writes"Your message began with a quote from a book stating:
"Well first you have left the foundation far behind it seems"
The Misunderstanding you gleaned is Not in what I' wrote from My heart.["Well first you have left the foundation far behind it seems] in that you thought was directed to you"
but from the MIS-understanding of what was being conveyed to 'Paul Williams' My dear.
Remember You invited A serphadic Jew to your discussion I am not a christian, nor will ever lower My standards of Rabbinic understanding....to become one. Take this to heart~~Lashon Harah, Anti-Rabbinism and anti-Scholasticism will not be tolerated.
If you truly wish the Children to learn,... Then!!! you know what to do.
I personally have no time for foolishness and distractions, I mearly came to help you.
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"If you cannot find a Man of YAHweh, Then become a Man of YAHweh"~~It is time to come Up higher" -
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Slow your Ego down 'YaaKov' - the first place I'd direct you to is the wisdom of Solomon Proverbs 15:1. And then follow that up with the wisdom of Galatians 6:1-2. Now, if you have a discontentment with the validity of the cannonized scriptures, then you're in the wrong place in the first place. 2 Tim. 3:16-17 makes it clear the scriptures are from the mouth of God. But the "torah" warns us about going outside of that as well, Deut. 4:2. Now, the foundation of the church of Christ is in JERUSALEM, which was predicted and prophesied in Daniel with the vision of Nebuchanazzar and Isaiah 2:2-3, Micah 4:1-2. Christ fulfillment of the law was the 'filling up' of the law. The law was given to just the descendents of Israel ( Deut. 5:1-3) but not to the gentile world. Thus the need for the new covenant. You're siting being a serphadic jew doesn't give you any lineage authority more than anyone else. Do you see the annointed Yashua as the the one fulfilling the O.T. prophecies or not??? You say anti-rabinism will not be tolerated, - what was anti-rabbinical? Are you teachings so weak that if a woman challenges them you are reduced to name calling? So since you would not recognize the entire body of scriptures, then don't springboard into aggression, apply your 'so called' scolasticism and veer away from a spirit of 'anti-scholasticsim........now, I will glady stay in the Penteteuch if that's the limit of your understanding to make any valid point in the church. God only deals with and is espoused to ONE PEOPLE.....that is his CHURCH... you say its you im sure, I say its the Kingdom set up by Christ... - signed, God's Man @ the Metro East church of Christ...I've humbled myself to Yehweh's word, not arrogant in saying my elevation makes me like him... 'humble yourself' was the first message given to Moses.
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Ah Moshie' blessed be his remembrance:
I can see this will take a while since this site is fill of Christology thinkers and not those with a middle eastern mindset with a full comprehension of Historical values.
Mr. Metro East' I might suggest you read ::
~Meet the Rabbis by Brad h.Young
~The Resurrection of J-sus a Jewish perspective by Pinchas Lapide
~Understanding the difficult words of J-sus new insights from a Hebraic perspective..by ~David Bivin,..and Roy Blizzard...
~The spirit of the Ten commandments~~Shattering the myth of Rabbinic legalism~ by Roger Brooks
~Everyman's Talmud ~by Abraham Cohen
~A Rabbinic commentary on the new testament by Samuel Tobias Lachs
~Fossilized customs by Lew white
~The Sage of Galilee by David Flusser
~J-sus the Pharisee ~by Harvey falk
For starters that should get you up to speed so we can actually have a decent discourse...I have another few hundred or so I can offer you after that.
We will deal with the archetype of the 'High chair tyrant' problem later
Young man...Canonized scripture from Romes point of view given to the Goyiim is NOT the only Historical documents to refer to for this discourse.
Really if that is all we can pull from, we would be in serious trouble now would we not" However it is good enough to whip the common flock and get them bucks on Sun-Day. If it were not so Metro East would be out of business...Hmmmmmm.
Arrogance is looking right in one own eye while fleecing with pagan theology...
More than thirty years of ministering the Truth of YAH" and I have never passed the plate on Sun-Day. Violating the fourth Tzavah...But then I can sleep at night -
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I agree with Dr Russell Kelly's summary of what the Bible teaches about tithing. I will also summarize but with a little less detail.
None of the 'tithing' that occurs now has any connection to the definition of tithing contained in the Bible. (other than to mention 10%) In a nutshell, the were three tithes from some of the Israelites and a 4th from the Levites to the Levite priests.
1)The Levitical tithe required those who raised crops (not everyone and not all professions - just those who raised crops) to give 10% of that to the Levites. This tithe only occurred 6 years out of the 7 year cycle. It also required those that raised 10 or more animals to give each tenth animal that passed under the rod to the Levites. If a person raised less than 10 animals, they were NOT required to tithe.
2) From what was given to them, the Levites in turn had to give a tenth of the very best to the priests.
3) The festival tithe required that those who raised crops or animals to set aside 10% for the annual festivals. It was for the people to have a party and consume the food joyfully and alcoholic beverages (strong drink) if they wanted.
4) The Poor tithe occurred only in the 3rd and 6th years of the seven year cycle. This was set aside for the poor.
All tithes were always food and NEVER money.
I go into more detail on my website www.inyourbible.com, where, if you have a high speed internet connection, you can view or download my FREE series of 10 - 30 minute lessons titled "The Truth About Tithing".
I take two of the lessons to explain the 'Truth About Abrams Tithe'. It clearly is NOT the precedent setting example that we have been told. For starters, Abram did not give his own money.
We should be generous but the poor widow is NOT our example. She was being plundered by church leaders. (Video – Truth About the Widow’s Gift) There is no single formula for Christians to be able to judge for themselves whether they are generous or not.
Each person needs to hear from God for themselves.
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Well Put:
Brother green writes:::'Truth About Abrams Tithe'. It clearly is NOT the precedent setting example that we have been told. For starters, Abram did not give his own money. -
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