Is Sunday A Holy Day?

[Dr. Brenice Aliyah Fireangel]

It is my concern that we as "Christians" Need to define better, what God said in the bible, and what man says about the bible.

Ask yourself?

Is the bible the inerrant Word of God? Does God change His Word! Have Christians changed God's Words and Taught erroneous Doctrine to those who have not read the Torah(First five books of the bible) in a bible they really can understand , in the language they speak; to compare what they have been taught by preachers, teachers, evangelists ????????????????

Please See Attached!

[James Pierce]

Elijah,

PREACH IT! eeee naaaaaa booo seee.

[N'ZI Amani Germain]

Brother Elijah!

You said:

"If the law was nailed to the cross, then what is being spoken of above? Paul keeps using the term ‘law’! Steal, adultery, murder, idols…these are all things contained in the law! The one most say was nailed to the cross. Remember, this letter from Paul is to the Romans…Gentiles! How is it he is asking them how they can be teachers of these things and yet commit these acts if the law was nailed to the cross and they are no longer to be held to them?"

OK!

Indeed the Bible says that Jesus Christ came not to abolish but to fulfil Old Testament law (Matthew 5:17).

The fulfilment of the Law by Jesus Christ, what does it mean?

I also know that the Old Testament Law is a unit (James 2:10). Either all of it applies, or none of it applies:

“For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11For he who said, "Do not commit adultery,"also said, "Do not murder."If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker. Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment!

James 2:10-13

Let us notice that Brother James was not speaking of the sacrificial and ritualistic law only here, but he was speaking about the whole Law, the Torah.

Indeed, “to commit adultery” or to “murder”, can not be called sacrificial and ritualistic laws.

Now, my second question is as follows:

If Christ fulfilled some of that law, such as the sacrificial system, didn’t He fulfilled all of it?

Indeed, Jesus Christ said:

"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart”.

Matthew 5:27-28

Bother, the obsolete Law, namely the Torah says: “Do not commit adultery”

But the new Law of Jesus that Christians should follow is: “But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart”

Here, don’t you see Jesus fulfilling the Law concerning the adultery (Exodus 20: 14)?

Isn’t the new Law of Jesus Christ better than the old one?

Jesus Christ did not come to abolish but to fulfil or to perfect the Old Testament law as a UNIT.

Do you agree with me?

It is not about the sacrificial and ritualistic laws only, but it is about all the law of Moses, the Torah.

If the Bible is your absolute, then say AMEN to that!

Let us see an other example:

“Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?" 4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'[a] 5and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'[b]? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate." 7"Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?" 8Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."

Matthew 19:3-9

Bother, the obsolete Law, namely the Torah says:

“…a man can give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away…”

But the new Law of Jesus that Christians should follow is:

“…a man should not divorce his wife for any and every reason for anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery”

Here, don’t you see Jesus fulfilling the Law concerning the marriage?

Isn’t the new Law of Jesus Christ better than the old one?

Jesus Christ did not come to abolish but to fulfil or to perfect the Old Testament law as a UNIT.

Do you agree with me?

It is not about the sacrificial and ritualistic laws only, but it is about all the law of Moses, the Torah.

If the Bible is your absolute, then say AMEN to that!

In the same way, Jesus Christ has perfected the Law on the love of God (Exodus 20:2-7, Matthew 22:36-37),

He has also perfected the Law on the love of our neighbour (Exodus 20: 12-17; Matthew 22:39, Matthew 5:21-26, Matthew 5:43-48, John 8: 1-11)

So, to say that the Old Testament Law applies to Christians today is incorrect.

The Old Testament Law is a unit (James 2:10). Either all of it applies, or none of it applies. If Christ fulfilled some it, such as the sacrificial system, He fulfilled all of it.

You must also know this:

« For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.”

John 1:17

THE LAW OF MOSES HERE IS THE TORAH.

The commands of Jesus Christ are not burdensome(1 John 5:3-5).

Gentile believers live under the GRACE and not according to the Torah.

The grace accompanies the believer during his life (1 Corinthians 15:10, 2 Corinthians 12:9) and He can be strengthened in it :

“You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.”

2 Timothy 2: 1

Such a believer who walks in the grace of Jesus-Christ cannot walk any more according to the law(the Talmud or the Torah).

But what kind of law am I talking about here?

I’m talking about the law in the sense of principle of works (with allusion to the Mosaic Law) which is in contrast with the grace (Romans 2: 12-29, Romans 3: 19-31).

Thus, the gentile believers need not observe the Sabbath and the ritual ceremonies prescribed by Moses.

When John said that: “Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness (1 John 3:4)”, he did not refer to the customs taught by Moses (Acts 15: 1-21).

Consequently, the non-observance of the Sabbath by a gentile believer could not constitute the breaking of the law about which John spoke.

John referred to the law of the faith, to the truth of the faith:

“Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith ».

Romans 3:27

“If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.”

1 Timothy 4:6

This law can never be abolished, since the Word of God can not be abolished.

But what is the faith like?

« Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.”

Romans 10:17

Any thing will pass but the word of God will not pass. Ritual laws prescribed by Moses are no longer in force for the gentile believers. They are abolished for those who live under the grace. But the law of the faith which takes its source in the Word of Christ will never be abolished.

“Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints.”

Jude 1:3

Gentile believers live under the GRACE.

Hebrew Israelites keep the Sabbath because they still live under the LAW.

There are two different dispensations. Paul didn’t destroy THE LAW OF GOD though.

But he said that “no one will be declared righteous in His sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin”.

He said that we “ all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus”

He said that “a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.”

This doesn’t mean that we nullify the LAW OF GOD by this faith.

Please listen carefully to Paul:

“Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin”.

Righteousness Through Faith

But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished - he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. »

Romans 3:19-31

Hebrew Israelites still live UNDER THE LAW and do observe the Sabbath (whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law).

But the gentiles are free in Jesus-Christ, they live BY GRACE and they are justified BY FAITH.

Through the Grace God justifies freely the sinner who repents (Romans 2:24-25).

Israelites could not be justified by the Law of Moses. Today, gentile believers can not also be justified by the Law of Moses. This is the reason why Jesus Christ has come.

Jesus Christ came not to abolish but to fulfil or to perfect the Old Testament law as a UNIT (Matthew 5:17).

Verily, today, Yahweh’s perfect law is LOVE:

“And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity”.

Colossians 3: 14

In place of the Old Testament law, gentile believers are under the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2), which is to, “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind … and to love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 22:37-39).

If we obey those two commands, we will be fulfilling all that Christ requires of us, “All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments” (Matthew 22:40). Now, this does not mean the Old Testament Law is irrelevant today. Many of the commands in the Old Testament Law fall into the categories of “loving God” and “loving your neighbor.” The Old Testament Law can be a good “guidepost” for knowing how to love God and knowing what goes into loving your neighbor.

At the same time, to say that the Old Testament Law applies to Christians today is incorrect. The Old Testament Law is a unit (James 2:10). Either all of it applies, or none of it applies. If Christ fulfilled some it, such as the sacrificial system, He fulfilled all of it.

“This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome” (1 John 5:3). The Ten Commandments were essentially a summary of the entire Old Testament Law. Nine of the Ten Commandments are clearly repeated in the New Testament (all except the command to observe the Sabbath day). Obviously, if we are loving God we will not be worshipping false gods or bowing down before idols. If we are loving our neighbors, we will not be murdering them, lying to them, committing adultery against them, or coveting what belongs to them.

The purpose of the Old Testament Law is to point people to their need for Jesus Christ as Savior (Romans 7:7-9; Galatians 3:24). The Old Testament Law was never intended by God to be the universal law for all people for all of time. We are to love God and love our neighbors. If we obey those two commands faithfully, we will be upholding all that God requires of us.

Jesus Christ came not to abolish but to fulfil all the Law of Moses, NAMELY THE TORAH.

Wasn’t the new law of Christ better than the former law?

“Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ”.

Galatians 6:2

If a Christian fulfils the law of Christ(the new convenant) according to which we must not look at a woman lustfully for fear of committing adultery with her in our heart, will that Christian be considered lawless or an evil doer before Jesus according to Mathew 7: 21-23?

The lawless one, THE EVIL DOER, isn’t it the one who still get stuck on the former law, the first one which has been made obsolete and aging will soon disappear (Hebrews 8:13)?

Brothers and sisters in Christ, the message of our Lord Jesus is very clear:

“For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven"'.

Matthew 5:20

"...unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven"

“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."

Revelation 3:22

Blessings,

Bro. Germain

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[Evangelist Altha Fugett]

Moreh? I cannot believe that you do not travel on the Sabbath, that is incredible, did not Yeshua say that we would do greater things than HIM? now we know that HE was unable to take a plane, train, bus anywhere, but you guys limit yourselves to TRAVEL in fellowship with one another only?

I remember in my early years a woman asking me to go to her church with her and I did. When I invited her to mine, she said she could not go, I felt so sorry for her, and I never returned to her prison.

[Evangelist Altha Fugett]

You felt sorry for someone just because they would not go to "church" with you?

No, not that she wouldn't go to church with me, but for her reasoning, she COULD NOT go to church with me, she belonged to a church that taught her that if she fellowshipped with ones outside her beliefs, (and they were followers of Yeshua?? )so they say, she would be defiled.

Brother, I read intensely all of your writings and others, because I'm on a quest to please God, I love to pull from ones the depths of their faith and search the scriptures, you cannot minister to ones until you know where they are coming from, however I have seen the horror and results of cults,especially in reference to children, and I have no tolerance for bondage of any sorts.(I'm not speaking of YOU Bro Moreh)

just answering your question, of why I felt sorry for her

[Eccl. 12:13]

Where do you think Nehemiah got it? Do you think he would make it up? NO! He was inspired and moved just as the scriptures said.

2Pet.1
[21] For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Like I said before, you will not find everything God said written down, but we KNOW the actions performed were directed by God. I will give you just (1) of many examples.

The first time we have a WRITTEN law about clean and unclean animals is found in Lev.11. But we KNOW Noah new about them in Gen.;

Gen.7
[2] Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

So how did Noah know which were clean and which were unclean? God told him. Was it written down? If it was we have no record of it, but we KNOW Noah KNEW there was a difference.

Here is one more;

Gen. 4
[6] And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
[7] If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Notice what God said ‘lieth at the door’ for Cain….SIN! And sin is to break Gods law. But those laws were not WRITTEN down until Moses day. And did Cain sin?

[8] And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him. MURDER BEFORE MOSES! Exod. 20 [13]Thou shalt not kill.

So....do you think Nehemiah took it upon himself to say you can not buy or sell on the Sabbath? According to the inspired word of God NO!!!

At some point he was told that buying and selling was not what God wanted to be done on His Sabbath.

Again, God does NOT have to utter ALL we are to do. Just that fact that the words that Nehemiah SPOKE are in the bible is all we really need.

So no! I do not have to use 'private interpretation' to prove my point.

Just good old, God given, common sense.

[James Pierce]

Eccl,

I see no evidence that Nehemiah was referring to the weekly Shabbat. The evidence points more towards the Sabbatical year, and not the weekly Shabbat.

[Eccl. 12:13]

Brother you need to READ the scriptures. Let's read it;

Neh 13;
[15] In those days saw I in Judah some treading wine presses on the sabbath, and bringing in sheaves, and lading asses; as also wine, grapes, and figs, and all manner of burdens, which they brought into Jerusalem on the sabbath day: and I testified against them in the day wherein they sold victuals.

Notice he speaks of the "DAY". Let's continue;

[16] There dwelt men of Tyre also therein, which brought fish, and all manner of ware, and sold on the sabbath unto the children of Judah, and in Jerusalem.

Again, they sold on the Sabbath.

[17] Then I contended with the nobles of Judah, and said unto them, What evil thing is this that ye do, and profane the sabbath day?

No place is a High Sabbath mentioned, nor a Sabbatical year. He explains further;

[18] Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city? yet ye bring more wrath upon Israel by profaning the sabbath.
[19] And it came to pass, that when the gates of Jerusalem began to be dark before the sabbath, I commanded that the gates should be shut, and charged that they should not be opened till after the sabbath: and some of my servants set I at the gates, that there should no burden be brought in on the sabbath day.

So as Jerusalem began to be "DARK BEFORE THE SABBATH", Nehemiah commanded that the gates be shut.

According to you, If it were a SABBATICAL year how long would the gates have been shut?

[21] Then I testified against them, and said unto them, Why lodge ye about the wall? if ye do so again, I will lay hands on you. From that time forth came they no more on the sabbath.

YES!!! Nehemiah was speaking about the weekly Sabbath!!!

[James Pierce]

Eccl,

Explain Nehemiah 10:31," And we will forego the crops of the seventh year and the exaction of every debt."

[Eccl. 12:13]

Brother why would you do such a thing? Why would you EXCLUDE the first half of the verse you provided when you KNOW it proves my point. Let's read Neh.10:28-31;

Neh.10
[28] And the rest of the people, the priests, the Levites, the porters, the singers, the Nethinims, and all they that had separated themselves from the people of the lands unto the law of God, their wives, their sons, and their daughters, every one having knowledge, and having understanding;

So these people decided to KEEP the law of God. Everyone that had knowledge and understanding.

[29] They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, and into an oath, to walk in God's law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the LORD our Lord, and his judgments and his statutes;

So they entered into a oath to walk in God's law. Now let's read what the people said they WOULD NOT DO!

[31] And if the people of the land bring ware or any victuals on the sabbath day to sell, that we would not buy it of them on the sabbath, or on the holy day: and that we would leave the seventh year, and the exaction of every debt.

So not only would they forgive all debts during the seventh year, but they WOULD NOT BUY FROM ANY PEOPLE OF THE LAND THAT BROUGHT WARE OR ANY VICTUALS ON THE SABBATH DAY!!!

Now the people just entered an oath and said they obey nad do ALL of the commandments of the Lord. It is OBVIOUS to buy and to sell if NOT to be done on God's Sabbath day!

Do you really need more proof? NO SHOPPING, BUYING, SELLING, CONDUCTING BUSINESS until the sun goes down on the Sabbath?

Is it really that hard brother?



This is the proof you asked for about buying and selling. I just don't see HOW you could have over looked it.

[James Pierce]

Eccl,

Your words are not very welcoming. You need to speak with grace, and not with a condemning tone. I am merely discussing, but, you're just speaking as if you are pounding me with word. Chill back. I shall consider your thoughts, for I shall study this further in my own time.

[Eccl. 12:13]

It's amazing how TYPING can be perceived as a condemning and pounding of words. I'm just typing brother. If we were face to face you could see that there are no frowns or stress lines on my face.

Maybe I should not capitalize! lol Or is it the !!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah.....that's how one can tell someone needs to "Chill back"

They are just words on a screen brother, and I'm just trying to make a point.

[James Pierce]

Eccl,

Another thing you may want to look at when you examine Nehemiah 13 is the fact that the gates may have been shut because they were treading the winepress, and bringing in loads into the city on the Shabbat. Understand that Nehemiah commanded this, and the reason may be because of what they were doing. There's no indication really that every Shabbat the gates would be closed. These are my opinions, but I ask that you consider checking out what I stated.