When Will Flesh and Blood Beings End?

[Eccl. 12:13]

Do "spirit beings" DIE! Of course not. That is why God has to make the place Hell. It will be a place, originally for Angels, but thanks to the sin of Adam, it will also be the final dwelling for ALL those that break the commandments, laws and statutes of God. God calls these people 'sinners'!


Death at Christ’s Return

Let's look at a few verses to see if there will be any flesh that DIE upon the Lord's return:

Zech.14:2. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle;
4. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives,
5. and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

From the above scriptures we know what event is taking place...the 2nd coming of the Lord.

Isa.13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Sinners will be destroyed when Christ returns!

Jer.46:10 For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood:

Christ’s’ sword will be made drunk with his adversaries’ blood upon His return!

Isa.66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.

Many shall be SLAIN!

Clearly when the Lord returns ALL people will NOT be 'spirit beings'. There WILL be death when the Lord returns.



Death During Christ’s 1000 Year Rule

Something to remember is that when Jesus returns He will rule for 1000 years. His 1000 year rule will start the moment He returns. Let's search the scriptures to see how the earth will be and if there will be flesh and blood people living then.

Zech.14
[6] And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
[7] But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
[8] And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

- So during Christ's 1000 year rule we will be able to tell when 'evening' comes,
although it will not be totally dark. This makes perfect sense because God’s Sabbath will still be
observed and His Sabbaths starts at evening on the 7th day.
- The earth will also have seasons; summer and winter.

[9] And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
[11] And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

- The Lord will be king over ALL the earth and Jerusalem will be safe.

[12] And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Clearly THESE people will DIE!

[16] And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

- Along with seasons we will also have a way of telling 'years'. Again with keeping with God’s
commandment of keeping His feast days FOREVER, we must be able to know at what month to
keep them. This can ONLY be done if we are still able to know the beginning and ending of years.
- Christ's feast days will also be kept.

[17] And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
[18] And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
[19] This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Now why would 'spirit beings' need rain? Flesh beings need rain in order to grow food.

Let's read how long the people of the earth will live during Christ's 1000 year rule.

Isa.65
[17] For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
[18] But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
[19] And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

- Again we know the above scriptures is speaking of a time when Jerusalem will be lived
in safely.

[20] There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old;

- So the person that DIES at one hundred will be considered a child.

Now for those that think this is speaking about a time that has already happened let's read the following verses:

Isa.11
[6] The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
[7] And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
[8] And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
[9] They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

A wolf living with a lamb, a leopard lying with the kid, a lion eating straw like an ox, all with a child leading them….as we ALL know these events have not happened. Most have not happened since the 6th day of creation. Along that same time frame was also the last time the earth was full of the knowledge of the Lord.

Isa.65
[25] The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

Again...the time spoken of in the above scriptures is during Christ's 1000 year rule.

Now for those that believe there will no longer be any 'flesh and blood' beings left upon the earth, let's read what happens after Christ 1000 year rule.



Death After Christ’s 1000 Year Rule

Rev.20
[1] And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
[2] And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
[3] And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

So Satan is bound for the 1000 years that Jesus is ruling on the earth. But notice he is loosed for a 'little season'. Now look and see what happened after Satan is loosed:

[7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and
Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

So there are STILL 'flesh and blood' beings even AFTER Christ's 1000 year rule. And will there be more death? Let's read:

[9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

These too DIED!


Conclusion

Let's review:

- Flesh and blood people died at Christ 2nd coming. Isa.13:9, Jer.46:10, Isa.66:16
- Flesh and blood people died during Christ 1000 year rule. Zech.14:12, Isa.65:20
- Flesh and blood people died after Christ 1000 year rule. Rev.20:9

The ONLY time when there will no longer be any 'flesh and blood' people is found here:

Rev.20
[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Now I know there is a doctrine going around that says; Those that are thrown into the lake of fire will NOT be tormented forever, but will be consumed in an instant by the fire. Well let’s search to see if this is supported by scripture.

Rev.19
[11] And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
[14] And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
[15] And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Now we know the above event to be the 2nd coming of Christ. Let’s look at what takes place to one person, a ‘flesh and blood being‘, upon Christ return.

Rev.19
[20] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Now we know the false prophet is a man made of flesh and blood. And flesh and blood beings DIE! But is that what happened to the false prophet? Did he DIE? Let’s read what happens AFTER 1000 years of Satan’s imprisonment and the final battle with Christ:

[10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Did you catch that? Where the beast AND the false prophet ARE!!! So the beast AND the false prophet are STILL around after 1000 years. Still burning and being tormented. So we know of at least TWO ‘flesh and blood’ beings that were made ‘spirit beings’ that will be tormented FOREVER. But will he be the only one? Does the bible speak of more? Let’s read:

Isa.66
[15] For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
[16] For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.

Again we know the above event to be the 2nd coming of Christ. This is also the beginning of His 1000 year rule.

[23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
[24] And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

So the Lord will require ALL FLESH to come and give Him worship during the 1000 years. And while doing so they will be able to see ALL of those that transgresses/ broke His laws, and their fate. For their worms WILL NOT DIE, nor will their fire be quenched. And they will be an abhorring to ALL FLESH!!

Your final dwelling place has no bearing on your final physical state: ALL ARE MADE SPIRIT BEINGS and ALL WILL LIVE FOREVER. The only question that remains is if you will live forever in God’s kingdom, or if you will live forever in the lake of fire.

1 Cor.15:50 “Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God…”


Something to THINK about!

- Where will ALL come to worship the Lord? Isa.66:23-24, Zech.14:16-21
- And what will ALL that come to worship the Lord be able to look upon? Isa.66:23-24
- So where will Hell be?

Seems to be A LOT of truth to the old saying, “Keep your friends close and your enemies CLOSER!”

[Ms. Elaine Johnson]

Dear James, let's end this as I see you are waay off base. I could care less about your personal life, I was simply addressing your spoken words. Never mind, you altogether missed the point.

Okay, moving on, hell exists was my point. i wish you would have been willing to click on the link and read the testimony of Howard Storm instead of sight unseen, words un-read, making jokes about 'facts' you refuse to even look upon. That was my point.

http://www.near-death.com/storm.html

Can't have a intelligent discussion if you won't acknowlede information posted.

Anyway, okay, okay, this your last reply has given we believers our answer to exactly where your views on a non-existent hell are coming from.

Yahweh bless you to know His love, walk in His truth and SEE ALL of His Light James. Thanks for sharing.

[James Pierce]

Elaine,

I am not sure if you are being phony or not. I've heard so many stories on this, and it does not add up to Yehwah's word. You said,"we believers." I do not even know if you actually know what that means. You dont even study like you should. How can you believe in something you have not really studied? Again, you can believe your fairy tales all you want, but I will believe Yehwah's word. May he bless you with truth, and may he quicken you to study!

Shalom

[Ms. Elaine Johnson]

James, to assure you, let me say, I sincerely spoke on the written word with regard to 'hell.' I sincerely brought up evidence or at least testimonies to discuss the reality of 'hell.'

Every Biblical fact as well as outside disposition, again, the whole NDE testimonies is proof of my utmost sincerity. I can discuss truth with regard to hell or any other matter in a loving, light-hearted, friendly way. It is unfortunate that you obviously thought it insincere. I meant you no hurt or harm.

That said, dear James, 'hell' exist and the facts posted have more than proved that.

[James Pierce]

Elaine,

You bringing up fantasy stories does not prove at all, especially if the word of Yehwah refutes it. I agree that hell exist, but unless you know the words behind the middle age word "hell," and rightly handle the meanings and context of those words, then you will continue to be in error with your belief on hell.

[Eccl. 12:13]

Let's read about these bodies we are to receive;

1 Cor.15
[39] All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
[40] There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

So there is a heavenly body and as earthly body.

[42] So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
[43] It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
[44] It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

So the spiritual is DIFFERENT from the natural body.

[45] And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
[46] Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

So Adam had a natural body, but the last Adam, Jesus, was also a natural body that was MADE into a spiritual body.

[48] As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
[49] And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

So we ALL we have a spiritual body.

[50] Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

WOW!!!!! What just happened there. You mean "Flesh and Blood" bodies CANNOT inherit the kingdom of God? So if "flesh and blood" bodies cannot inherit God's kingdom, that means you MUST have a spirit body. This is interesting, let's read more;

[51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

So we ALL will be changed! Changed FROM what? Let's read;

[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[53] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Again, we ALL, Bad and Good, WILL be changed and have an IMMORTAL body. A Body that WILL NOT DIE. So I guess that means it WILL NOT BURN UP AND BE CONSUMED also. Let's read more;

[54] So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

So there is no more DEATH! Just beings that live FOREVER! Whether they are in Hell or in God's kingdom ALL WILL HAVE AN IMMORTAL BODY THAT LIVES FOREVER!!!


Now let's read what you said about "flesh" bodies bro. James,

"We wont be spirits, that does not have flesh and bones. We shall be like Yeshua, who has flesh and bones."

Now we KNOW Jesus is sitting on the right hand of God right now! And where is that? In God's kingdom in heaven. But verse 50 above said flesh and blood CANNOT be in God's kingdom!

Now which is it bro. James?

It is true, at the moment Jesus appeared to them He had flesh and bones, but does He still have that Body NOW? He can't according to scriptures.

And nor can we if we are to enter into God's kingdom.

[James Pierce]

Eccl,

Notice Yeshua's response in Luke 24. He said "flesh and bones". He did not say "flesh and blood". He has arisen in his glorious body, and he will return in like manner. It is true that flesh and blood cannot enter Abba's kingdom, but it never said anything about "flesh and bones", which is the state of our future body, just like Yeshua.

[Eccl. 12:13]

Let's not get caught up on words here brother, and let's stay on topic. The bottom line is this, just as the scriptures says;

1 Cor.15
[39] All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
[40] There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

ALL flesh is NOT the same. WHATEVER bodies we have will be IMMORTAL and they will live forever. They will NOT be comsumed in an instant, and Hell is a REAL, PHYSICAL PLACE, Just as the bible says!

[James Pierce]

Eccl,

I understand what 1 cor 15 is saying. Yeshua's body that he had when he was in his ministry was different than the body he had when he rose from death. The resurrected body is immortal..... a body of flesh & bones.

There's a difference between what the bible "says", and what the bible "means". You should know that. If you care to study deeper, then you'll see that Yeshua was not speaking of souls literally going to a valley to burn lol. If you go to that valley today.. its full of grass!! What's Yeshua gonna do... come back and light it on fire again LOL!???

[Eccl. 12:13]

Let's try to stay on topic here an answer just a few questions:

Let's start with the following verses;

Rev.19
[20] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

First off we KNOW we have (2) beings burning in Hell at this time.

Question: Are they Flesh and Blood beings or Immortal? Next:


[10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Question: How can there be any remains of the beast and the false prophet AFTER 1000 yrs of burning?

Just these to answer!

[James Pierce]

Eccl,

NO ONE is burning in hell. There is NO hellfire LOL! I can see that you are a strick literalist of the bible. That will only get you but so far man. The bible is full of literary devices, and "lake of fire" is one them. Don't tell me we're going to see these huge half man half scorpion beings running around here stinging people for 5 months... are we?

Your question does not make any sense. The beast and the false prophet, literally, would have been destroyed. But, as you read, John is speaking in figurative language. I can only tell you to study biblical imagery, and figures of speech. If not, then good luck making figurative language literal.

[Eccl. 12:13]

ANSWER THE QUESTIONS BROTHER!

Are they flesh and blood beings or immortal?

How can there be any remains after burning for 1000 yrs?

[James Pierce]

Eccl,

I basically answered it. You just have to stop being a complete literalist, and open up your mind to Biblical imagery and devices. I can answer it again, but let me come at you from this angle...

The book of Revelation is not about some future thing where you will have talking sheep, and human like beast running around here. That book is actually Prophesy concerning the Roman Empire.

The Beast, False Prophet, etc, are the Roman Gov't. When this government is thrown into the lake of fire, that means it is destroyed. We know that the Barbarians came to destroyed the Empire. Again, Good luck making figurative language literal.