Female Evangelists- the controversy continues.

[Evangelist Cookie Hunter]

Today i was confronted with my first scoffer "online" I had been asked this question before while in the field and had already done my research, so i was ready to stand firm in the Lord. I praise God for this group and this ministry. We need a place to witness about our witness to others and build ourselves up and each other by learning, teaching and sharing.

From: TUFFTEXX
To: KingdomsChild
Subject: Female Evangelists
Hello, May I ask you to show me in the Bible where God authorized women to be Evangelists, please give me a new testament scripture because their were no Evangelists period in the old testsment. You may want to check 1 Cor 14:33-37


To: TUFFTEXX
From: KingdomsChild
Subject: Re: Female Evangelists

1 Corinthians 14:33-35 states, "...As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church." At first glance, this seems to be a blanket command that women are not allowed to speak at all in the church. However, 1 Corinthians 11:5 mentions women praying and prophesying in the church and does not condemn it. Therefore, 1 Corinthians 14:33-35 must not be an absolute command for women to always be silent in church.

The context of this passage, and much of 1 Corinthians, is the order and structure of the church. The Corinthian church was noted for the chaos and lack of order that was rampant in that assembly (v. 33). It is interesting that no elders or pastors are mentioned, and the prophets were not even exercising control (see vv. 29, 32, 37). Everyone was participating with whatever expression they desired ?whenever? they desired. This included tongues and prophesying by women who were taking the lead in the services instead of being submissive, as God?s Word makes clear (1 Tim 2:11-15). Apparently, certain women in the Corinthian church were out of order in disruptively asking questions publicly in the chaotic services. It is not coincidental that many modern churches that have tongues-speaking and claim gifts of healings and miracles also permit women to lead worship, preach, and teach. Women may be gifted teachers, but they are not permitted by God ?to speak? in such a manner in His churches. In fact, for them to do so is ?shameful,? meaning ?disgraceful? (v. 35).

The context of 1 Corinthians 14:33-35 is talking about interpreting and understanding the gifts of tongues and prophecy (1 Corinthians 14:26-32). Therefore, 1 Corinthians 14:34 is not commanding women to be absolutely silent in the church all the time. It is only saying that women should not participate when tongues and/or prophecy is being interpreted and tested (1 Thessalonians 5:19-22; 1 John 4:1). This is in agreement with 1 Timothy 2:11-12 which says that women should not teach or have authority over men. If women were involved in deciding whether a prophecy was truly from God, they would be disobeying what the Bible says in 1 Timothy 2:11-12. Therefore, Paul tells women to be silent when tongues and prophecy are being interpreted so that they will not be disobeying God's Word.

Women excel in gifts of hospitality, mercy, teaching and helps. Much of the ministry of the church depends on women. Women in the church are not restricted to public praying or prophesying (1 Corinthians 11:5), only to having spiritual teaching authority over men. The Bible nowhere restricts women from exercising the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians chapter 12). Women, just as much as men, are called to minister to others, to demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), and to proclaim the Gospel to the lost (Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 1:8; 1 Peter 3:15).

God has ordained that only men are to serve in positions of spiritual teaching authority in the church. This is not because men are necessarily better teachers, or because women are inferior or less intelligent (which is not the case). It is simply the way God designed the church to function. Men are to set the example in spiritual leadership ? in their lives and through their words. Women are to take a less authoritative role. Women are encouraged to teach other women (Titus 2:3-5). The Bible also does not restrict women from teaching children. The only activity women are restricted from is teaching or having spiritual authority over men. This logically would include women serving as pastors / preachers. This does not make women less important, by any means, but rather gives them a ministry focus more in agreement with how God has gifted them.

[Apostle Dr. Carol J. Sherman Ph.D, Th.D., D.D.]

My dear sister, I applaud you for your stand. You will always find that we will be opposed for just being female. You should have asked him what about a tooth ache or a doctor in a hospital, a college professor, at any point if he was in pain would he request a male . No he would not, because he would just want the pain to go away, regardless of their gender.

It is the same way with God he just wants the pain in our lives to go away so he anoints and appoints us to do the job for his people. Ignore him and know that you were called and usually when men are that vicious they have ego problems because they have received the respect they feel they should have or they have mama issues.

Keep on standing strong, YOU GO GIRL.................................... LOVE, LIVE AND PROSPER

[Apostle Dr. Nailah Gilliam]

The role of the Evangelist is that of fulfilling the Great Commission. As such, every Born Again, Blood-washed and Blood-bought Believer is so charged. Therefore, I disagree with the notion that a woman is not called to "evangelize." They argue we're not called to be Apostles. Yet, the first person Jesus "sent" with the message of His ressurection was a woman named "Mary Magdelene." She was sent (apostello) to the Disciples. And I could go back a little further when God chose Mary, the Mother of Jesus to "carry" the Word, which was made flesh. They say we can't be Pastors, but if you study Hebrew manners and customs you will find that many women were "Shepherds," which is the equivalent of Pastoral caregivers. We're told that making decisions concerning men means were "usurping" authority over men; but one of the greatest Judges in the Bible was a woman named Deborah, who the great military leader Barak would not go into battle without her presence.

I disagree with the premise that a woman can not teach men or lead a congregation. Women are so far from where we were when in I Tim 2:11-12, Apostle Paul told Timothy "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." You must note that in this passage of scripture, Apostle Paul states the "he" not "God" did not allow (permit or allow) a woman to teach, nor usurp authority over the man." An unlearned, untrained male or female would be a poor choice for a teacher. Women (during times these epistles were written) were unlearned and untrained due to a culture that devalued women. Jesus came, to bring balance and equality and an end to sexism, racism, as well as prejudices based on nationality.

I say to any woman with a call on her life to evangelize, preach, teach, prophesy or otherwise spread the Gospel, you will always have your nay sayers. But you must know Who called you and what it is you were called to do and then you must do it whether or not man "suffers" you to do it! You will ultimately have to answer to God for the deeds done in "your" body.

[Evangelist Cookie Hunter]

Amen, Apostle Gilliam. There is a reply to my blog that disagrees and we need to keep him in prayer also.
Evangleist Cookie Hunter

[Stanley Dove]

First of all let me make one thing clear we are not saying that we against you,we just want you to give us Biblical proof that you can do what you say you can do.Your leadership should line up with the Bible.If it does you wouldn't have to give so many explanations.Prove it in the Word then you can shut the mouth of the naysayer.Show us Pastors that were women not Judges but Pastors not Shepards in the field but Pastors.Prove it then you'll never have a naysayer don't and you'll try to prove it all of your life.

[Apostle Dr. Carol J. Sherman Ph.D, Th.D., D.D.]

FIRST OF ALL STANLEY DOVE OUT OF RESPECT FOR THIS GROUPS TITLE YOU SHOULD BE AWARE THAT THIS GROUPS WAS FORMED FOR ALL WOMEN AND TO TO JOIN IT IS A VIOLATION. PLEASE HAVE SOME RESPECT FOR THE WOMEN IN THIS GROUP.

2ND. WE DO NOT HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING, MOST MEN THAT ASK THOSE TYPE OF QUESTIONS REALLY HAVE ISSUES WITH THERE SELVES OR THEIR MOTHERS OR WOMEN. AND DUE TO THEIR LACK OF RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH AND TRULY BEING EDUCATED ON THE MATTER .

3RD LOOK AT 3RD JOHN 1:1 PAUL CLEARLY GREETS THE WOMAN AS THE ELECT LADY AND HER CHILDREN MOST CHRISTIAN FELLOWSHIPS AT THAT TIME AND THAT TRULY IS THE KEY STATEMENT FELLOWSHIPS WERE GATHERED IN HOMES AT THAT TIME. SO THERE ALOT MORE WOMEN HAVEING FELLOWSHIPS IN THIER HOMES THEN THERE WERE MEN.

WHAT ABOUT PHOBE THE DEACONESS
WHAT ABOUT STEVENS 3 DAUGHTERS THE PROPHETS
WHAT ABOUT PERCILLA AND AQUILLA THE HUSBAND AND WIFE PASTORIAL TEAM.
WHAT ABOUT TYPHENA THE FEMALE APOSTLE.
I COULD MENTION SO MANY MORE BUT I CHOOSE NOT TOO.

LOVE LIVE AND PROSPER

[Evangelist Cookie Hunter]

Amen and praise God!

[Erica Joseph Shepherd]

“It’s about Spiritual Leadership not a Man or a Woman”

Society has tried to make most issues gender issues, when in God’s sight they are spiritual issues. Greek is a gender-specific language. That means that the nouns have both a female and a male gender. The ending specifies whether it’s female or male gender, but it’s the same noun. Now deipneô is a male gender noun, and Paul uses the male gender noun to refer to Phoebe to show equality and position in leadership. Because if he was being grammatically correct and he was a very educated man, he would have used the female noun to refer to Phoebe. But there was an intentional point, I believe, that was being made by the Holy Spirit inspiring Paul to use the male gender noun
Joel announced that in our day the Holy Spirit will be outpoured on all flesh—sons, daughters, old men, young men, servants, men, and women (Joel 2:28,29).
The anointing of the Holy Spirit on one’s life and ministry crosses traditional cultural barriers and opens seemingly closed doors for ministry. It is not unusual for the power of the Holy Spirit to cross deeply entrenched ethnic, social, and gender categories through an obedient and anointed servant of God to reveal the love and power of Jesus Christ.
Jesus’ sense of manhood was never threatened by the tenderness of a woman. Luke told of a woman who came into a banquet, knelt, wept over Jesus’ feet, bathing them with her tears, and then anointed them with perfume before drying them with her hair (Luke 7:36—50). This was her act of repentance. Jesus allowed her to do this without any trace of disgust or embarrassment.
Jesus let women know they were intelligent and intrinsically worthy of God’s love and concern.
Women ministered to Jesus in unique ways. Mary and Martha’s house was a quiet place where Jesus retreated from the crowds who wanted the bread, the miracles, and the healings (Luke 10:38—42).
Luke wrote about the mob that herded Jesus toward Golgotha. The "daughters of Jerusalem" followed Him and wept for Him as they made their way down the Via Dolorosa (The Street of Sorrows; Luke 23:27—29).
What happened at the Crucifixion? The disciples fled, including Peter–the one who said, "I will never forsake you; I will never turn my back on you; I will go with you even unto death" (Luke 22:31—34).1 But the women remained, silently standing watch at the foot of the cross. What else could they do? Absolutely nothing except be there. The women were there for Jesus at that moment until death released Him. Even after Jesus’ death–while the disciples were hiding behind barred doors, afraid the Romans would find them and put them on a cross–the women prepared the spices to anoint His body for a proper burial. These women took the spices to the tomb, having no idea how they would move the stone. Nevertheless, they went in the early hours of the morning–while it was still dark–to do what they could. From the moment the Son of God emerged into our world as a tiny, helpless infant to the final hours before His ascension into heaven, women ministered to Jesus. And Jesus accepted these gifts of love, not because they were His God-given privilege as a man. Rather, He accepted them because these were gifts of intelligent and faithful service to the Heavenly Father.
Jesus was sensitive to the social and religious handicaps with which women had to struggle, and He lifted those burdens. He was compassionate and caring.
One day Jesus visited Peter at his house, and Peter’s mother-in-law was sick. In the Middle East, even if a woman of the house is sick, she gets up to take care of a male guest. Jesus, of course, was not an ordinary guest. He was a rabbi, a teacher of God’s law. He had the right to walk into the house, sit down, and ask, "Where’s my tea?" But He didn’t. Jesus refused to exercise His guest privilege. Instead, He went first to Peter’s mother-in-law and laid His hands on her. He refused to allow her to minister to Him until He first ministered to her.
Another time Jesus raised the son of the widow at Nain back to life (Luke 7:11—17). The position of widows in Middle-Eastern culture is tragic if they have no male relatives to care for them. As Jesus watched this funeral procession coming out of Nain, He saw the few casket carriers and this one single woman walking behind it. He realized, There’s no other male relative to care for this woman. Out of compassion for this poor widow, Jesus reached out and touched this young man and restored him to life.
Even more powerfully in Luke’s Gospel we see Jesus opposing the prejudice and misuse of organized religion against women. In that part of the world, acts like this can be dangerous. In Luke 20, Jesus defended widows against the greed of the Pharisees. But probably the greatest and most beautiful example is found in Luke 13, where on the Sabbath, in the synagogue at Capernaum, Jesus healed a woman.
The synagogue in Capernaum was about 20 meters wide and 40 meters long, and like the mosque, it was a man’s place. On the Sabbath it would be filled with men because Jesus the Teacher was there (Luke 13:10—17). He was going to expound the Word of God. Everyone expected to hear great and revolutionary things from this brilliant new authority on the Law. But as Jesus took the scroll of the Law and began to teach from it, all of a sudden, in the back of the room, He saw a woman who was bent over. For many years she had been a prisoner of an evil spirit that had bound her and kept her a cripple.
Jesus then did five things that are astonishing because what He did broke through the cultural mold of that day. First, He called this woman forward from the place of the women (the back of the room) to the place of the men (the front of the room). He interrupted the teaching of the Word of God–the most sacred time in Jewish life–to minister to a woman.
Second, Jesus broke culture by speaking to her. The Jewish writer Alfred Eidersheim wrote that there were rabbis who prayed every day: "I thank Thee, God, that I was not born a Gentile, a dog, or a woman." Isn’t that a great prayer? (Do you notice the word order?) No wonder everyone was shocked as Jesus spoke to this woman.
Jesus broke culture a third way: He laid hands on her. Eidersheim explains that in Jesus’ day some Pharisees were called "the black-and-blue Pharisees." Why? Because they were so strict in their observance of the Law they would not even look at a woman. If they sensed that a woman was going to cross their path, they would close their eyes tightly and walk straight ahead. Sometimes they would smack into a wall or fall over an ox cart and receive their bruises. Here, in contrast to the example of the "black-and-blue Pharisees," Jesus laid His hands on a woman. Fourth, Jesus affirmed her worth in society. These men in the synagogue were probably thinking, What is she doing in here? What is He doing? He’s touching her. Look at what He’s doing in God’s holy place.Jesus knew their hearts and said to them, "Don’t you loose your ox or donkey and take it to be watered on the Sabbath?" (Luke 13:15).
They all knew they broke the Sabbath by watering their animals. Jesus continued, "This woman is worth far more than any animal you have. This woman is not an animal; she is a ‘daughter of
Abraham’ " (Luke 6:16). By saying this, He restored her rightful position.2This episode is especially important because Jesus willingly risked His life for the sake of a woman. He humiliated His opponents in their own synagogue by ministering sensitivity, kindness, and mercy to a woman. It is for this act of kindness and divine love, and many others like them, that these men sent Him to the Cross. Jesus let women know they were intelligent and intrinsically worthy of God’s love and concern. Not one time in all four Gospels did He put down a woman. From the earliest days of His life, to the time He ascended into heaven, Jesus exalted and affirmed women. Jesus was sensitive to the social and religious handicaps with which women had to struggle, and He lifted those burdens.
At Jesus’ dedication in the temple, Anna the prophetess had center stage (Luke 2:36—38).
The Word of God recognizes her life of godliness and fasting and prayer.
Jesus often went out of His way to praise women as examples of faith
Deborah in the Book of Judges was a prophetess, a proclaimer of God’s Word, and the judge of Israel. That made her both the spiritual and political leader of God’s people. She exercised leadership over men (Judges 4:6).
The male spiritual leadership, the priests, sought counsel and instruction from Huldah, the prophetess (2 Kings 22:14).
Miriam, the sister of Moses, was a prophetess (Exodus 15:20), and Isaiah’s wife was a prophetess (Isaiah 8:3). Because of the culture, it was rare for women to rise to that position of leadership. Yet God did enable these women and their ministry was recognized.
Anna, the prophetess (Luke 2:36), stayed in the temple and prayed for the consolation of Israel. And she became the first one who prophesied over Jesus.
The women (Matthew 28:7,8) were chosen by the Lord to be the first to proclaim the news of the Resurrection.
The four daughters of Philip (Acts 21:9) were prophetesses. Paul visited in Philip’s home and did not rebuke them or try to silence them.
Of the six references to house churches in the New Testament three are specifically in the homes of women which would indicate that those women were in some position of leadership or pastoral care over those who met in their homes. Two are cited to be in the home of a man and woman, which appears there might be a co-pastoring situation. And the sixth is closely connected to the greeting of a woman in Philemon 1:2. In Lydia’s case (Acts 16:40) the congregation was founded upon the conversion of a woman, and it was a group of women at first but then later an established body of Christ.
Priscilla was knowledgeable in the Scripture. She and her husband, Aquila, instructed Apollos, already "a learned man, with a thorough knowledge of the Scriptures" (Acts 18:26).
Paul identified Priscilla, Mary, Tryphena, and Tryphosa as ministers on a level equal to men (Romans 161). One-third of those mentioned in Romans 16 are women.
Phoebe (Romans 16:1) is commended to the entire church at Rome. The Greek word used for her is the word deipneô, and it is translated deacon as well. It is also used in reference to a pastor who serves the body – deipneô.
God could have raised up a man for each of the above leadership positions, just as He called a belligerent Paul to become one of His greatest spiritual leaders. "God does indeed call women to spiritual leadership,"

[Elder Brenda Bradley]

I don't understand when people make the comment,"What does the New Testament say?" I have never understood it because I grew up with the belief that GOD IS GOD! He is the same GOD in the Old Testament as in the New. The scripture states that he changeth not. So if the argument is that if you can't find it in the New Testament, it's not valid, are we saying that the GOD in the Old Testament is not the GOD of the New Testament therefore; nothing He did in the Old Testament is equal to the New? We are to ignore the actions of GOD and what He did and who HE used because it's in the Old Testament?!! That is ridiculous!!!

Here is an idea. Instead of arguing the point of who God can and can not use...Concentrate your thoughts on how he is using you. When you get busy with that, you won't have time to worry about me.

[Evangelist Cookie Hunter]

Praise the Lord! I am so pleased to see that this thread is still moving believers to speak out about the God of God! He is God, and will always be God! His word changeth not! Blessings, y'all!

[Evangelist Cookie Hunter]

Unity in the Body of Christ

4 As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. 2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit— just as you were called to one hope when you were called— 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

7 But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it. 8 This is why ita says:

“When he ascended on high,

he led captives in his train

and gave gifts to men.”b

9 (What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regionsc? 10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) 11 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12 to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. 15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ. 16 From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.

Living as Children of Light

17 So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. 18 They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. 19 Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, with a continual lust for more.

20 You, however, did not come to know Christ that way. 21 Surely you heard of him and were taught in him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus. 22 You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23 to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24 and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

25 Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to his neighbor, for we are all members of one body. 26 “In your anger do not sin”a: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, 27 and do not give the devil a foothold. 28 He who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with his own hands, that he may have something to share with those in need.

29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. 32 Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.



5 Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children 2 and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.

Note, it does not say men or women!
God bless you!

[Dawn Davidson]

Hello women of God! I am new to this site and from what I have read so far, it seems I have found a perfect home in this group. As my calling in word is thus far centered upon issues of the garden I am compelled by His Spirit not to ignore fallacies and misinterpretations which ultimately cost all of us, both male and female. It puts us in a place where, unless we are living out our lives according to His actual design, we are not living at our best. The self-anointing of a male to be in a position of superiority to the female is not scriptural even as it is given, in what I regard as a most amazing word, in the garden.

We could wait until the return of our Lord but I feel His press upon me everyday to speak the truth as He has already given it. Gender is not the issue but only sound demonstrations of righteousness exercised according to call within our lives. The same was true even in the garden. In a presentation that I have done, I like to line up all that which is attributable to Adam versus all that which is attributable to Eve, the results speak for themselves! Even in definition of name we know God is marking the difference, but the dusty creation of Adam is what for me speaks volumes yet even this is only second too an honored confession of Eve in Genesis 3:13 and the title which she alone respectively received as the "mother of all living."

Before God gave me this garden word, when I sat down for what I thought might be the last time as a practicing Christian (I had been so hurt as a woman/wife with an audacity to have a call in the church), God opened my eyes to the full reality of this word, and I am still learning. I make new connections everyday. And as we know, it is not about one gender being better than another, we are called to be each other's help meets (as God is no respecter of persons and Adam required spiritual help in the garden first and foremost).

A newly arrived Eve needed Adam to accurately deliver a word to her in the garden as given by God (this was to be a test for a future challenged and then rebellious Adam who needed to arrive early into the garden to both practice and prove his ability to obediently/accurately name in the first place - yet another form of rightly delivering word) which a deceitful and coveting Adam did not. The fruit could indeed be touched, but only not eaten. Adam needed to submit to the example of a more righteous Eve who not only sought to resist the serpent (yet how much can you stand with an adulterated word?) but who also willfully confessed her sin even before God in a demonstrated show of righteousness, yet he did not.

Had a present Adam spoken truth to Eve, even if only during the moment of her pending fall, we would not at least at that time have known a fallen world as we today have it. Had Adam, in like mind of Eve, made a garden confession without accusation even in the face of God we certainly would not even have the death pronuncement as we now do. Even a murderous Cain demonstrated more righteous behavior before God than did a stubborn, arrogant Adam.

Further, study Genesis 2:23, Adam lied about the full identity of the female, simply calling her "Woman" and not "Eve" (life-giver) and deceived the female in the changing of his own name from the God-given "Adam" to "Man." In so doing, he usurped full authority in the garden. Adam sought to become (according to the Hebrew) a "mighty champion" (2nd meaning of "man") yet he was even from the beginning defined in name as an "Adam" and therefore but only a "hypocrite" and man of "low degree. This according also to the Hebrew and which as we know is synonymous with the more dominent use the the term "man." The only time the word "man" is used within the garden story (actually pertaining to Adam) as defined in the Hebrew as a "mighty champion," is when Adam sought to change his identity and apply it to himself. Adam as a man is otherwise always defined as a made to be ashamed, hypocrite and man of low degree. God set this up so that even a deceiving Adam could not ultimately escape who he really was! Yet we live the unchecked (by man) effects of his actions in the church everyday.

Note, in Genesis 3:9, it was God who still called the man "Adam." You see, just as the Foreknowledge of God demonstrated by manifesting the man first into the garden to grow into his anointing and to practice exercising righteous behavior, Adam proved a need to which God brought the supply, yet the mind of Adam perferring the things of the enemy rejected the plan of God and walked in rebellion yet still instead. His early arrival had NOTHING to do with greater authority, Adam proved deficient in his righteous standing (therefore even rightly exercising even less authority) even in the beginning, yet once again, Eve did not. Adam had already proven according to the Foreknowledge of God to righteously be the weaker between the two. Which is why, spiritually speaking only, he needed a help meet determined by God to be just for him, she was a future fallen yes, but also righteously confessed and thus rewarded (in name and title) woman of God even in the garden. Note, spiritually speaking, ultimately it was an arrogant Adam with no regard for the things of God who needed Eve. Despite falling, and even despite Adam's lies, this sister still made a right confession of sin before God. How different was she living than we do in our own lives as Christians? But for this confession of Eve, we would not even know the continuance of human life at least we have it. To deny this is to say that we would have a God who further the evil. I think not.

Why did God not call out also to the female in Genesis 3:9? Once again, it is because God does not further the evil. It was an evil act to reject the God-ordained name of "Eve" for the female, and to subsequently also repress her true garden identity as the "mother of all living" (which is a spiritual title). Therefore, even despite Adam's so-called exclusive authority to name (which was by garden assignment only), God gave no respect to Adam's name change calling him not "Man" but "Adam" and by not calling out the name (as given by Adam) of "Woman" for the female at all. Eve had not been correctly named by a jealous Adam and God is simply trying to tell us so. Please note, Adam sinned as earlier as Genesis 2:23 but the world had not yet fallen . . . wonder what God was still waiting for? Someone of authority had to still be in righteous standing in the garden, no?

What were the three things Adam had to do directly after receiving punishment by God? 1. rightly call the female by the righteous garden name of "Eve" (speaking to life even in a now fallen garden) and not "Woman" (which culturally translates in name is an insult, but even according to the Hebrew in gender, it actually spoke of her as being a "mighty champion" which Adam was not (in the garden, according to the Hebrew, every name/term/title attached to Eve spoke of victory/life/and righteousness), 2. rightly identify her in calling and purpose as the "mother of all living," a spiritual title (coming before and therefore also exceeding that of "father Abraham") not also respectively earned from God by an un-confessed garden Adam who nevertheless would physically father children in the earth, and 3. submit to physically knowing his wife and becoming one in flesh with the birth of a child.

Egads, the female didn't even know who God was calling out to in Genesis 3:9. But "who was this Adam?" for she had only known "Man." We have to experience this word on a practical level.

I have said enough here right now, please let me know your thoughts. My thoughts here are more random but I did put this and more into a book entitled "The Real Skinny on Eve" and subtitled "A Short but Comprehensive Guide on the Real Identity of Sisters in the Church of Jesus Christ." Visit my site(s). But know as well, there is an answer to Genesis 3:16, it is so simple and given what I have been made to experience in church, it blew me away. I will say this, you can't rightly interpret Genesis 3:16 (specifically to "desire" and "rule over") without first hearkening back to Genesis 2:24. And that Adam even "hearkened" unto his wife? Please. I am free. God is Good! And there is still so much to share . . .

[Evangelist Cookie Hunter]

My Sister in Christ, thank you so much for your words of wisdom and comfort! I pray that the Lord be with you always and keep up the good work!