GENESIS 3:16 CLARIFICATION

[N'ZI Amani Germain]

Sister Dawn Davidson said:

“…That a husband shall “rule over” a female must be defined within the right context of the garden story…”

However, Brother Paul said: “A woman should learn in quietness and full SUBMISSION. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing - if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety”.

1Timothy 2: 11-15

Can you tell me why speaking about authority and women SUBMISSION to men, Brother Paul referred to Genesis 3: 16?

Please, did Brother Paul provide a wrong context to support his saying?

Moreover, Brother Paul said:

“For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command. If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored.”

1 Corinthians 14: 33-38

Women “…must be in SUBMISSION, as the Law says…”

Can you tell me which law Brother Paul was referring to when speaking about women SUBMISSION in the congregations of the saints?

Wasn’t Brother Paul referring again to Genesis 3: 16?

Here again, did Brother Paul provide a wrong context to support his statement?

Sister Dawn Davidson said again:

“In fact to rightly interpret this area of scripture one must first hearken back to Genesis 2:24. It is here where we learn what the God-desired actions of a husband should be toward his wife; that he is to “cleave unto his wife” so that the two may be of one flesh. The word “cleave” is defined in the Hebrew as to “cling,” to “adhere,” to “follow close (hard after), be joined (together).”

I do agree with her. I will provide scriptures to support Genesis 2: 24 and explain it clearly.

Indeed, Brother said:

« 22Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church- 30for we are members of his body. 31"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh."[b] 32This is a profound mystery-but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband”.

Ephesians 5:22-33

Dear sister, let me tell you that Brother Paul knew the Garden story, even he quoted Genesis 2: 24 in these terms:

"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh” Ephesians 5: 31.

The man must be united to his wife, however Genesis 3:16 is still in force today. Amen!

Indeed, Brother Paul said:

“Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should SUBMIT to their husbands in everything”

Ephesians 5: 22-24

The man is to “cleave unto his wife” so that the two may be of one flesh, however Genesis 3: 16 is still in force today.

The husband is the head of the wife at home or the man is the head of the woman in the congregations.

WOMEN SHOULD SUBMIT TO MEN BOTH AT HOME AND IN THE CONGREGATIONS. NO ONE CAN CHANGE THIS ORDER. GOD IS NOT A GOD OF DESORDER BUT OF PEACE.

Jesus- Christ is to “cleave unto his wife, the church so that the two may be of one flesh, however Jesus- Christ is the head of the church forever. No one can change this order.

Please consider this comparison.

“Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God”.

Corinthians 11:3

THE HEAD OF THE WOMAN IS MAN. NO ONE CAN CHANGE THIS ORDER.

THEOLOGIANS CAN NOT CHANGE THIS CONTEXT OF THE GARDEN STORY. IT IS STILL IN FORCE TODAY.

THUS, A WOMAN SHOULD NOT OVERSEE A CHURCH.

Please, pay attention to Brother Paul’s warning:

“If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command. If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored”1 Corinthians 14: 37-38.

It is the Lord's command and no one can change it.

The Bible says that “…women will be saved through childbearing - if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety” (1 Timothy 2:15).


Women should be MOTHERS. This is their true position according to holy Scriptures.

Women’s place is behind. They should leave the Pulpit to men; otherwise they serve God outside of his will.

Please, search and read my message entitled:

“WOMEN OF GOD, ARE YOU REALLY CONSCIOUS OF THE KEY ROLE THAT YOU OUGHT TO PLAY IN THE BODY OF CHRIST?”

Blessings,

Bro. Germain

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[N'ZI Amani Germain]

Dear sister Dawn Davidson,

You say that your ministry is specifically regarding the garden word. So, you ask me to refer to Stephen Gola’s teaching.

Well, lest us analyze Stephen Gola’s teaching first, then we will tackle your false doctrine, the so called “garden word”.

Indeed, Stephen Gola said:

“…Before we go any further, certain truths must be established:

First, the church is not a building, but God's people as individuals, two or more meeting together creating "church." It's an assembly of believers, collectively the Temple of God (see Colossians 1:24 and 2 Corinthians 6:16).
Secondly, that "there is neither male nor female (in the church): for you are all one (type of being born of God) in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28).
The ironic thing is that the Apostle Paul, who wrote these truths stated above, seems to contradict 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 just a few sentences later. Here is the reason for the contradiction: Those statements (Scriptures) in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 never ORIGINATED with Paul. Paul only REITERATED them as a rebuke to the Corinthian church in the letter we now read as Scripture. The Corinthians originally wrote them TO Paul. Paul told them how absurd it was for them to say that the Law commands women to be silent in the church - THEY ARE THE CHURCH. Paul said that they WERE NOT commands from the Lord but "ignorance" of what they were teaching God's people. (We will explore this in a moment)… Are you getting the picture that it really doesn't matter if you are a male or female to operate in the things of God? Do you recall that I pointed out earlier that Paul was responding to the things that the Corinthian church wrote to him? Paul actually used their words in his letter when he addressed some of their concerns and said they were foolish and they weren't of God. We have come to the place of turning the classic bondage Scriptures, 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 into a liberating Scripture for you.

While Paul wrote his response (1 Corinthians) BACK to the Corinthian church, he previously read their letter that they sent to him - 1 Corinthians 7:1, "Now concerning things whereof YOU WROTE UNTO ME...." In fact, he wrote down parts of their letter back to them and rebuked them for their foolish teachings.

Paul established through his entire letter and particularly in chapters 11 thru 14 that there is no difference between a male and female being appointed and/or receiving the gifts, callings and offices of Christ. Before he wrote down their "foolish scripture" that they wrote to him, he wrote this preface: "God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints" (1 Corinthians 14:33). Then in verses 34-35 he repeated what they first wrote to him: "Let your women keep silent in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also says the Law. And if they will learn any thing let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church). Are you getting the picture that it really doesn't matter if you are a male or female to operate in the things of God? Do you recall that I pointed out earlier that Paul was responding to the things that the Corinthian church wrote to him? Paul actually used their words in his letter when he addressed some of their concerns and said they were foolish and they weren't of God. We have come to the place of turning the classic bondage Scriptures, 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 into a liberating Scripture for you.

While Paul wrote his response (1 Corinthians) BACK to the Corinthian church, he previously read their letter that they sent to him - 1 Corinthians 7:1, "Now concerning things whereof YOU WROTE UNTO ME...." In fact, he wrote down parts of their letter back to them and rebuked them for their foolish teachings.

Paul established through his entire letter and particularly in chapters 11 thru 14 that there is no difference between a male and female being appointed and/or receiving the gifts, callings and offices of Christ. Before he wrote down their "foolish scripture" that they wrote to him, he wrote this preface: "God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints" (1 Corinthians 14:33). Then in verses 34-35 he repeated what they first wrote to him: "Let your women keep silent in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also says the Law. And if they will learn any thing let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."

Immediately after Paul wrote this, the next word he wrote was, "WHAT?" (v36). In the Greek, the word "what" is a negative disclaimer. We would say, "What, are you nuts?" Paul said, "What? Came the word of God out from you? Or did it come unto you only?" (v36). Meaning, that the previous statement that he wrote from the letter he received from them referring that women are to keep silent in the church was not from God at all. In fact, it was pure silliness. He just finished writing in a few paragraphs before this what we now know as 1 Corinthians 11:1-16, establishing that when women prophesy, teach or speak in the church they are to have their heads covered. "But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered…." needs to put on her head covering and then it would be acceptable (1 Corinthians 11:5).

Paul goes on to say, "If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that THE THINGS THAT I WRITE UNTO YOU ARE THE COMMANDS OF THE LORD, (NOT THE THINGS THAT YOU WRITE)" (1 Corinthians 14:37). Paul was saying that he was appointed to write the Scriptures and the Commands of God, not the Corinthian church.

Paul continues with: "If any man be ignorant (meaning the person who wrote this stupidity) let him be ignorant (if he does not acknowledge that what he wrote is not from the Lord") (v38).

Paul then closes the subject and firmly establishes about males and females being in ministry and speaking in the church: "Wherefore, brethren (brethren does not mean male, it means 'born out of the womb of God, born again' --- males and females), COVET TO PROPHESY AND FORBID NOT TO SPEAK WITH TONGUES" (v39).

What I have just shared with you ought to have you shouting the praises to God. However, there is one more stronghold of bondage I must bring down before there is TOTAL liberation.

Why has it been a mandate within the church (community) in general to strictly forbid or set great limitations against and even ostracize women from being appointed to and or being accepted as called by God as an apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor, teacher or to move in the gifts of God? The answer is simple: not only have they not understood the Scriptures we just went over, but even more importantly, that THE LORD ALWAYS LAYS A NEW FOUNDATION WITH SPECIFIC MALES FIRST… "

source: http://www.gracecentered.com/women_in_ministry.htm

Dear sister Dawn, unfortunately Stephen Gola’s analysis above is a particular interpretation of the Word of God. The Gospel is not our own word; it’s the Word of God. Consequently, it should not be influenced by our belief, our feeling and our own thoughts.

Let’s see what Paul truly said:

“For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command.”

1 Corinthians 14:33-37

Was Brother Paul in verses 34-35 repeating what Corinthians first wrote to him?

Was Paul referring to “the Corinthian culture and its laws”?

Paul truly said:

1- “As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches”

What Paul said was concerning not only the Church of Corinth but also all churches of the saints in the whole world.

This is a reply to a question and not a reiteration of a question.

But , why did the false teacher Stephen Gola skippe the phrase « in all the congregations of the saints » ? I wonder !

2- “They must be in submission as the Law says.”

The law here is the Law of God. This Law can be found in Genesis 3:16, Ephesians 5:22-24, 1 Peter 3: 1.

This is the reason why the same Paul, speaking about the attitude of the women in the church (1 Timothy 2:11-14) referred to Genesis 3:16.

Paul was not referring to the particular Law of Corinthians. No!

This is a reply to a question and not a reiteration of a question.

The teachings of Paul can never be based on the rules taught by men. Never! I say never!

“They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.”(Mark 7:7)

3- Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached?”

Indeed, The Word of God didn’t originate with Corinthians. Moreover, they are not the only people it has reached. The Word of God is universal and identical for all the congregations of the Saints. Consequently, Paul did not speak about the particular culture of the Corinthians, insofar as there is only one faith (Ephesians 4: 5)

This is a reply to a question and not a reiteration of a question.

4- “The Lord's command”

What Paul did say was not his own opinion; it was the Lord’s command. Amen!

Women of God, Do you really Love the Lord? If you truly love Him, then you should obey His command, for the Lord Jesus said:
"If you love me, you will obey what I command.”

John 14:15

This is a reply to a question and not a reiteration of a question.

Women, do not harden your heart anymore but leave the pulpit to men . Recognize your place! Please recognize that your place is behind! Amen!

The scripture which clearly prohibited the Corinthians and Ephesians women from teaching is the Lord’s command. That is valid for the women of all the congregations of the saints (of any time).

Now, I would like to ask a small question to the false teacher Stephen Gola :

When Brother Paul said : « Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection (1 Timothy 2:11), was he repeating what Timothy first wrote to him ?

Indeed, Stephen Gola said: “In 1 Timothy 2:12, Paul says, "I do not allow a woman (wife) to teach...Nor to usurp authority over the man (husband)." There are two very important things to take notice of in that Scripture.

First, it is Paul's desire and NOT a command of the Lord. Paul always says when it is of him and not the Lord. This is how the Lord was able to trust him in writing the Scriptures---He differentiated between his will and the Lord's will.

Secondly, to usurp authority one must go against the will of another. When the husband recognizes the anointing on his wife to teach, all he has to do is allow her to do so. Then, there is no authority usurped, it is granted.

Any Christian woman, married or unmarried can teach or take part in ministry…”

Dear sister Dawn, let us unmask the false teacher Stephen Gola :

He said :

« Paul goes on to say, "If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that THE THINGS THAT I WRITE UNTO YOU ARE THE COMMANDS OF THE LORD, (NOT THE THINGS THAT YOU WRITE)" (1 Corinthians 14:37). Paul was saying that he was appointed to write the Scriptures and the Commands of God, not the Corinthian church”.

But, surprising as it may seem he asserted this:

“In 1 Timothy 2:12, Paul says, "I do not allow a woman (wife) to teach...Nor to usurp authority over the man (husband)." There are two very important things to take notice of in that Scripture.

First, it is Paul's desire and NOT a command of the Lord. Paul always says when it is of him and not the Lord. This is how the Lord was able to trust him in writing the Scriptures---He differentiated between his will and the Lord's will”.


REMARKS:

- One person: Paul;

- The same topic: the attitude of the women in the congregations

- In one hand, in 1 Corinthians 14:37 Paul was saying that he was appointed to write the Scriptures and the Commands of God, not the Corinthian church”.

- And in other hand, in “In 1 Timothy 2:12, Paul says, "I do not allow a woman (wife) to teach...Nor to usurp authority over the man (husband)." There are two very important things to take notice of in that Scripture.

First, it is Paul's desire and NOT a command of the Lord. Paul always says when it is of him and not the Lord. This is how the Lord was able to trust him in writing the Scriptures---He differentiated between his will and the Lord's will”.

Dear sister Dawn, it’s easy to unmask your false teacher. It’s a small exercise, isn’t it?

Indeed, Brother Paul said:

"To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.

"To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

1 Corinthians 7:10-14

REMARKS:

- To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord)

-To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord)

Here, Brother Paul was dealing with one topic: the marriage.

But, we notice that the matters to which his desire and that of the Lord apply are different:

- the married (not I, but the Lord)

-the rest (not I, but the Lord)

However, 1Corinthians 14: 34-38 and 1Timothy 2: 11-15 deal with the same topic: the attitude of the women in the congregations.

In 1Corinthians 14: 37, Brother Paul said that it’s the Lord’s command.

He was replying to a question. He was not repeating a question.

In 1Timothy 2: 11-15, speaking of the same topic Brother Paul referred to the Lord’s command, namely Genesis 3:16.

Paul can not change his teaching about the same topic. The Bible is clear!

Also, let me tell you that whatever is written in the Bible is the inspired word of God, may it be the Lord’s command or Brother Paul’s desire or opinion, otherwise the Bible would no longer be our absolute, our compass.

“For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit”.

2 Peter 1:21

Indeed, Brother Paul said :

« But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God ».

1 Corinthians 7: 40

Brother Paul had the Spirit of God. His opinions written in the Bible were inspired by thre Holy Spirit. We must follow them as well.

“Thou hast set at nought all them that wander from thy statutes; for their deceit is falsehood… »

Psalm 119:118

" And Jesus answering said to them, Ye err, not knowing the scriptures nor the power of God...

Dear sister Dawn, I have just sent three E-mails to Stephen Gola and I'm waiting for his insightful answers!

If you know him personaly, please ask him to contact me sothat I can coach him. This man needs to be taught.

Since, I have finished with the false teacher Stephen Gola I will tackle your false doctrine, the so called “garden word”.

Yes, we ought to pay a visit to the Garden. We will scrutinize the book of Genesis to see which doctrine you still preach on the Black Preaching Network.

I must take time to read your messages in order to provide a relevant reply.

Blessings,

Bro. Germain

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