There will be many responses from people that are led by the flesh so they judge by color and not by the spirit. Jesus was talking to the Pharisees that were not doing what they were preaching. They had begun to even add their own things and not the things of God. We all know (should anyway) that those beginning priest from Aaron were of God but as always some priests later in the centuries weren't about God. Rabbi means Master (correct me if I'm wrong) and we have no Masters save Jesus. Jesus even said we should call no man Father but He that is in heaven but we do it anyway, explain that! LOL!
It always puzzles me when I hear so called Christians use color in their language and not let the Spirit speak to them on color. Anyway I'm done talking about it because I've been down this road on this site many times.
I THINK YOU NEED TO READ THE SCRIPTURES AND UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU READ. I THINK YOU ARE MIXING SCRIPTURES UP. WHO IS A RABBI?? WHY SHOULD WE GO LOOKING FOR ONE??? WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE LIFE STYLE OF THE APOSTLES HERE AND THE LEVITICAL PRIEST! SO WHY RABBI? DO U FIT INTO THE LEVITICAL PRIEST LAWS THAT WERE GOVERNING THEM?? IF YOU COULD ASK YOURSELF, WHY A PASTOR IS BEING PAID ABOUT $400,000 A YEAR WHILES THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE CHURCH SUFFERING TO HAVE A PLATE OF FOOD A DAY?? ASK YOURSELF WHY SOME PASTORS HAVE JETS?? THERE IS A LOT.
PREACHERS NEED MONEY TO LIVE THATS TRUE. BUT HOW MUCH??? YOUR CASE IS DIFFERENT SO DONT TALK FOR THEM , LET THEM COME OUT.
I DONT WANT TO SAY MUCH. YEHOCHANAN BEN-YISREAL IS MORE THAN RIGHT, AND IF YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT THEN YOU BETTER COME OUT WITH SCRIPTURAL FACTS AND NOT JUST BUBBLING WORDS ABOUT RABBI!!. THE ONLY RABBI WE KNOW IS JESUS CHRIST. ALL THE RABBIS COULD NOT UNDERSTAND JESUS APART FROM THE APOSTLES BECAUSE HE EXPLAINED TO THEM IN CHAMBERS, SO WHY RABBI?
Of all the tribes of Israel, the tribe of Levite was designated
by God to serve as the Priesthood
Because of the sacrificial duties of this assignment,
this tribe was not able to own land, raise crops,
or tend to herds and flocks as the other tribes
God therefore instructed Israel:
"But the TITHES of the children of Israel, which they offer
as an heave offering unto the Lord, I have given
to the LEVITES to inherit:
therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel
they shall have no inheritance
Not just anyone could claim to represent God
and receive the tithes-only the Levites!!
Where did these tithes come from?
"And all the TITHE of the LAND, whether of the SEED of the land,
or of the FRUIT, of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord
And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes,
he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof
And concerning the TITHE of the HERD, or of the FLOCK,
even of whatsoever passes under the rod,
the tenth shall be holy unto the Lord
(the 10th one that was counted as it passed under the rod)
He shall not search whether it be
good or bad, neither shall he change it..."
The tithe was from the land, the herds, and the flocks
Not from the air or the sea
(fishermen were not required to tithe fish)
It was the "seed" or agricultural products
from the field that was holy to God and tithable
Products from "trees" were to be tithed
This not only included the fruit, but oils etc
NOT YOUR MONEY!!
(does anyone see money listed here?)
Also, notice, where our churches today
instruct us to pay the ..FIRST.. tenth to the church-
God said ..the tenth one...
of the herd or flock that passed under the rod,
as they were counting, was to be the tithe!!
It was not the first tenth, but rather
the tenth tenth that belonged to God
If the herdsman only had nine cows
he didn't have to tithe at all !!
In the old testament, the Day of Atonement
revealed the future salvation through Jesus
Once a year, the High Priest
would lay his hands on the head of a living goat
called the "scapegoat"
This act, was to pass all the sins of Israel
for that year onto the sacrifice
John the Baptist, through his father
Zacharias and his mother Elisabeth,
was a descendant of Aaron ther High Priest
He was the last Levite Priest
in the line of Aaron; and it was he,
who put the sins of the world
onto the head of Jesus at his baptism
Jesus then proceeded to the cross;
shed his blood, and died for the sins of the world
The Levitical system of sacrifices ended
when Christ died on the cross,and the veil in the temple
was torn from top to bottom
No longer was there anymore
a need for the animal sacrifices
No longer was there a need
for the sacrificial system
No longer was there a need
for the Levite Priesthood
No longer was there a need
for tithing to the tribe of Levites
No longer was there Tithing!!
Notice this remarkable story
of the only time the temple tax
came up in the ministry of Jesus
Most Christians will never hear
an explanation of these verses
as long as they live!!
These verses are highly incriminating
to those who teach the tithing of money to the Church:
Matt 17: 24-27
"And when they were come to Capernaum,
they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said,
Does not your master pay tribute
(Greek: 'pay the double drachma'
which was the exact amount
of the annual Temple tax)?
He says, Yes
(Peter was embarrassed and apparently
not honest with his answer)
And when he was come
into the house, Jesus prevented him
(Greek: prophthano-to get an earlier start of,
forestalls or anticipated him)
saying, What do you think, Simon?
Of whom do the kings of the earth
take custom or tribute (taxes)?
Of their own children [sons] or of strangers?
Peter said unto Him, of strangers
Jesus said unto him,
THEN ARE THE CHILDREN FREE
LEST WE SHOULD OFFEND THEM,
go thou to the sea, and cast an hook,
and take up the fish that first comes up;
and when you have opened his mouth,
thou shall find a piece of money
that take and give unto them
for Me and thee"
What an amazing truth!!
No wonder most Christians
have never heard this Scripture explained
The reason Peter said "yes" to the tribute collector
was because it was embarrassing to Him
to say, "NO, my master does NOT pay temple tax"
It was such a small amount of money
(less than a dollar)
But then Peter has to go into the house
and give Jesus an appraisal of what had just happened
Jesus being merciful to Peter
does not reprimand him for not being honest
with the tribute collector, but rather, cuts him off
(forestalls him) before he can speak
and saves Peter the embarrassment
The point is this:
Jesus did not pay temple tax...because
Jesus is the King of the kingdom!!
And if the children are free, certainly; the King Himself is free!!
THE CHILDREN ARE FREE!!
"Will a man rob God? Yet you have robbed Me.
But you say, Wherein have we robbed thee?
In tithes and offerings
Ye are cursed with a curse:
for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation
Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse,
that there may be meat in mine house,
and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord
of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven,
and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be
room enough to receive it
It is obvious from the above text,
that God was not at all pleased with the
Israelites concerning their tithing practices
Now, all those, who BELIEVE ...that tithing is valid
for the New Testament Church-
are correct in believing that the above verses APPLY to them
If they tithe they may expect blessings,
if they don't, they may expect curses
But what is wrong with the above statement?
The "error" comes from the re-definition
of two keywords used in the above text;
by those who want to present tithing in their own way
The "tithes" are presented to be the tenth portion
of your income which is given away and deposited
into the "storehouse"
is presented to be your church's savings account
BOTH OF THESE TWO DEFINITIONS ARE FALSE
The key to understanding this is in the preceding verse:
Even from the days of your fathers
ye are gone away from mine ordinances,
and have not kept them
God is pointing the Israelites (and us)
to his "ordinances" concerning tithing
Tithing according to God's ordinances
Thou mayest not eat within thy gates
the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine...
But thou must eat them before the Lord thy God...
thou, and thy son and thy daughter, and thy manservant,
and thy maidservant and the Levite that is within thy gates:
and thou shalt rejoice before the Lord thy God
Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed
that the field bringeth forth year by year
And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God
in the place that he shall choose to place his name there,
the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine...
that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always
And if the way be too long for thee,
so that thou art not able to carry it...
Then shalt thou turn it into money,
and bind up the money in thine hand,
and shall go unto the place which
the Lord thy God shall choose:
And thou shalt bestow that money
for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after,
for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine,
or for ..STRONG DRINK.., or for whatsoever thy soul desireth:
and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God,
and thou shalt rejoice, thou and thine household.
Those were the commandments of God
concerning tithing which were given to Moses
I find this verses to be worthy of thought:
Ye shall ..NOT..do after all the things that we do here this day,
every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes
For ye are not as yet come to the rest and to the inheritance,
which the Lord your God giveth you
So, the Israelites were supposed to take their tithes
to the appointed place, and eat them there before the Lord,
rejoicing, with their family, their servants and their local Levite
who was within their gates
The Levites were to be allocated cities
within each tribe ("within your gates")
where they were supposed to live with their families
These Levites were not those who served
in the Tabernacle (or, later on, in the temple),
but those who have chosen to remain
in their cities within each tribal land
They would join the Israelites on those special trips
to the appointed place of worship, where they would join
in the celebrations and consumption of tithes
were commanded to ..EAT.. their tithes
The tithes were supposed to be consumed
in an atmosphere of celebration, sharing, and
communion with fellow Israelites and with God
Therefore, this is not the tithe
spoken of in Malachi given for the storehouse
Was the temple used as a storehouse?
And that we should bring...
the tithes of our ground unto the Levites
that the same Levites might have the tithes
in all the cities of our tillage
And the priest, the son of Aaron,
shall be with the Levites when the Levites take tithes:
and the Levites shall bring up the tithe (10th) of the tithes
unto the house of our God, to the chambers,
into the treasure house
Some rooms in the temple were indeed referred to
as the "storehouse", but they were used to store
the tithes of the tithes (10th of the tithes)
which were called the "heave offerings"
that the LEVITES were to give to the priests
Therefore, these rooms in the temple
were not the "storehouse"
where the ISRAELITES were to bring their tithes
The Levites were to receive their tithes
in the places where they lived in their farming communities
from which they would give tithes to the priests
"Christian Tithing" is a "Christian Hoax"
THE CHRISTIAN TITHING LAW:
Where did the "Christian Law of Tithing come from?"
Absolutely not !!
There is not one single example in the Bible
of a "Christian" tithing to the church
or a command to do so,
and that is a Scriptural fact!!
Notice this telling bit of history
from the Encyclopedia Britannica:
"Tithes in Christendom—
The earliest authentic example of anything
like a law of the State enforcing payment
appears to occur in the capitularies [ecclesiasticals]
of Charlemagne at the end of the 8th or beginning of the 9th century
Tithes were by that enactment to be applied
to the maintenance of the bishop, clergy, the poor,
and the fabric of the church
In the course of time
the principle of payment of tithes was extended
FAR BEYOND its original intention
Thus they became transferable to laymen
and saleable like ordinary property,
in spite of the injunctions of the third Lateran Council;
and they became payable
OUT OF SOURCES OF INCOME
[not just farming and herding, but other trades
and occupations and salaries paid in the form of money]
NOT ORIGINALLY TITHABLE"
(1963, volume 22, page 253, ‘TITHES’) (Emphasis mine)
It was from the powerful Catholic Church
that the unscriptural practice
(did you notice the word "enforcing?")
of Christian tithing originated
many hundreds of years after the original Apostles
Truth be known, the "Reformation" did virtually nothing
to "reform" the corrupted Church of Christ
Enforcing the tithing of money on Believers
as if it were a law of God to do so,
is a damnable heresy that has caused untold pain and suffering
and only led to more corruption and worldliness in the Church
Either tithing is a law that Christians must obey or it isn’t a law
If it is, then it is a SIN to not tithe,
and no one could be saved until they repented of breaking this law
But if it is not a law, then it is a SIN to teach that it is a law!!
And as it decidedly is not
a New Covenant Law binding on Christians-
Those who teach it will be condemned and cursed
for teaching it and living like worldly fat cats from it...
As they sow: so shall they reap
As they judge others: so shall they be judged
What measure of punishment
they deem fit in their false teaching:
they will have measured back on them
Scriptural tithing was for Israelites ONLY,
giving a tenth of farm and herd products ONLY,
under the law of Moses ONLY,
to the poor, widows, strangers, and the tribe of Levite ONLY,
up until the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD, ONLY
NOTHING else is "Biblical Tithing"
Abraham NEVER tithed his own personal property,
Jacob said he would tithe once,
but ..ONLY.. after God would make him rich first
Jesus NEVER taught His disciples to tithe to the church!!
The Apostles NEVER collected tithes from the church!!
Paul NEVER taught tithing to the Gentiles
or collected tithes from them!!
And money was NEVER EVER
a tithable commodity, not even under Moses
True Believers are cheerful, generous givers,
not coerced and threatened tithe payers
"Christian Tithing" is a "Christian Hoax"
YES PASTORS OR PREACHERS SHOULD BE PAID BUT HOW MUCH?? A LUXURIOUS PAY OF ENOUGH TO LIVE?? ASK YOURSELF. THANK YOU
Shalom awkh, That Hebrew perspective !! When a so-called pastor interpret Scripture to mean he should get paid is a clear sign of the times.Booker T Washington said in the 1880's there were 40,000 negroes going to CEMENTARY schools to b preachers because they didn't want to work. The time is NOW that SET-APART Israelites challenge these Robbers with the LOVE of Yahoshua by Promoting the ONLY NAME , under heaven given among men whereby WE can be SAVED, Acts 4:12..STOP comparing Father Yahwah with "Celtic" God , and Messiyah Yahoshua with Pagan Greco/Roman hybrid Jesus Christ, and the Ruach Kodosh( Set-Apart Spirit) with "HOLY" which is same as "HOLLY" as in Hollywood, the tree magicians used to make MAGIC wands in which they " TELL VISIONS ", yea, television ! Let us tell OUR people that BAAL and LORD are the same. For Elohim Yahwah , took our heritage , and He has promised to REDEEM us, Hear O' Yisrael, Yahwah our Mighty One is ONE.
WOW LOVE IT, GOD IS A GOOD GOD GLORY TO THE MOST HIGH GOD....I REALLY ENJOY THE WORD OF GOD THANK YOU FATHER FOR YOUR WORD AND YOUR TRUE SAINTS THAT ARE FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT.. .THE TRUTH SHALL STAND NO MATTER WHAT SUPPORTING CHAPTERS HAS BEEN GIVING THE LIVING WORD OF GOD ...MAY GOD BLESS AND KEEP YOU YEHOCHANAN.
AMEN! Sadly, this is a back lash of the "pulpit pimps" (for the lack of a better term). Instead of people trusting in God and giving from their hearts as led, they second guess giving to the man of God because they "assume" he won't do the right thing with their offering.
Be Blessed and remember to BE a blessing!
That there could very well be the problem. They mistake working for the people verses recognizing their real employer (GOD). How many times we hear Pastors/Preachers teaching congregations about faith? We all have been told when going through a whatever trial, keep the faith, Godwill make a way, where God guide He will provide, trust in the Lord, so on and so on. I think it would be nice and encouraging just one time to see a Pastor/Preacher stand and give a personal testimony on how the Lord paid his rent, a utility bill or put foodonhistable. Lead by example of practicing what he's preaching!
We don't hear any testimonies from Pastors/Preachers because they don't need faith. ALL their needs are met by the church, beginning with their salaries, followed bytheiranniversaries, birthdays, Pastor/Preacherappreciation, the wife who if you've noticed is Co-Pastoring nowadays, then there's his son- the musician, the daughter- the church secretary, the other daughter is the nursery director and don't forget,special guests who are no more than friends that they receive a percentage off their offering for>promotional fees. Sadly the church has become no more than a family business.A social club for big hats and tailored suits, so called saints (The Church) whose afraid to come outside the Church for two obvious reasons 1) Church folk are afraid of those they call sinners and because many of them are doing the same thing the sinner man is doing, could it be that they afraid of being exposed? We have churches on every block, but how many Pastors/Preachers we see walking up and down the neighborhoods compelling the sinner man or sinnerwoman to come to Jesus. Not a church invite, but a Christ i<>invite! If they started with just that, with a sincere concern for one's soul, that person would remember, and say because that Preacher/Pastor cares I'm going to his church. But yet we laugh at the Jehovah Witnesses who are doing what the bible say. Go to the highways and byways and compel everyone to come to Jesus...Is not Jehovah, God's name? So should not we all set the same examples? Oh and by the way, they do believe in JESUS! Moving on those truly called by the God, a love offering is a bonus towards the honor God has trusting them with His sacred souls.. But I say let them get all they can and can all they get here on earth, ignoring the scripture that say, seek yeFIRST the Kingdom of God AND His Righteousness (NOT OFFERINGS) and all these things SHALLbe added unto you. (Meaning Your Basic Needs Will Be Met). Sad to say but that awesome day which is so soon to come both, greedy Pastors AND Preacher will dread hearing these piercing words..."Depart from me I know you not!"
Positioned for Purpose,
This was very well said. I disagree with the statement about Jehovah's Witnesses; they "believe in" Jesus but neither have faith in His sacrifice on the cross nor His position in the Godhead. JW's believe Jesus was the earthly incarnation of the archangel Michael, who definitely IS NOT God! We should pray for them and witness to them about the living, risen Jesus!
Thanks much for sharing that with me. Because of my writings I must attend a meeting myself and ask questions of them. Wouldn't want to be guilty of misunderstanding religion doctrine. I know you you understand. Please add me to your prayer list.
Bless You for bring up that point regarding the JW.
Positioned for Purpose,
Why should you teach others to "tithe up." since this was not the practice nor teaching of the Apostles, and preachers today are not descendants of the Levitical/Arronic line who God ordained to accept tithes due to their faithfulness to God at Sinai?
Did the Tithe law not get nailed to the cross along with the rest of the laws of God? Or are you just pulling that
one off the cross?
Technically my sister, the difference between the Levitical priesthood and the priest hood afer Melchizedec is that the Levitical had an ending, but Melchizedec's is everlasting. The tithe was given before Moses was ever born, even before Isaac was ever born! It was given was Abraham was still called Abram. In fact, if you go back far enough, it was started in Eden's garden. The Apostles never stopped the tithe at all. Paul said concerning Jewish customs "if you were doing it before, dont stop; if you weren't doing it before, don't start" (paraphrase), however, he nor any other Apostle stopped the tithe. What was done by the people of the book of Acts was a show of great grace and a love to give to GOD's Apostles. The tithe is simply a "meter" to measure your bare minimum of what you should be giving to GOD and HIS ministers.