Women are ordained by GOD to preach the gospel!
The Bible teaches that, "Truth crushed to the ground is rising again!" (Ps. 85:11 PP). A part of that truth that is springing forth from the earth is the truth about God and women. Scripture tells us that the 'the letter killeth, the spirit giveth life' (2 Cor. 3:6). A lot of things are written in Scripture that seemingly forbid women participation in the church. However, research has found that Paul's words were taken out of context and in fact, had more to do with protocol going on in the newly established churches of that time.
In the meantime, God's wisdom has taught me many things with regard to His will for women. The first thing taught is that God's will was always for 'men and women' to speak and Glorify His name everywhere, including in the church. Let us remember the original word from God concerning 'Adam/man' and 'Adam/woman' (Note:Scripture tells us that God originally referred to the man and woman as 'Adam' (Gen. 5:2) Adam then called the 'woman,' 'woman' and God honored that (Gen. 2:23-24). It was only after the fall that the 'woman' was named 'Eve' (Gen. 3:20). Talk about the '3 faces of Eve,' eh?
At any rate, the original will of God was 'equality' for man and woman. Scripture tells us that 'God put His Spirit in both WOMEN and men' (Mal. 2:15). As so, if the spirit of the Living God abides in women just as it does in men then it is impossible that God would mean, 'women can't speak or preach in church' for how else can one express the power, might, glory of God but by speaking it?
Where else can we glorify God amongst our own but in the church? Besides, Scripture says, 'the body is the temple of the Lord' and therefore we must glorify God in our 'Temple/body.' How much more shall we glorify God amidst a united temple of believers who dwell in church buildings? (1 Cor. 3:16). It is wrong to teach otherwise. The original command was 'God blessed, 'THEM', not just HIM but HER as well and stated, 'have dominion (subdue with kindness) the Earth and all that is therein" (Gen. 1:26-28). That's 'dominion' over the Earth and NOT each other.
Now, that said, the function of men and women is quite different. Masculinity does act as a figure head, that Femininity just naturally yields to within a marriage setting. I cannot tell you how many women want to feel protected with a strong, intelligent, righteous man. Unfortunately, with men so screwed up today, they are going to stay in 'want.'
At any rate, this function is proper in a marriage setting alone. Amidst that setting, the woman enjoys playing the nurturer, co-counselor in all 'decision' making aspects for Scripture says, 'it was not good for man to be alone' (Gen. 2:18). What that means is, not only physically alone, but as well alone, in making decisions. Hence, God would emphasize the importance of the woman's role when God brought His creation 'woman' to man. He more or less told Adam, 'now listen, you've been enjoying naming animals and the such, but now, this wonderful creation 'woman' is not for you to 'take authority over' in the sense that you have had the joy of naming animals I brought to you. She is now co-namer of all things with you. She is your equal and you must listen and heed her wisdom as that which is as great and important to your survival than your own thinking. In fact, she is your survival, your 'helper!' You cannot mentally, spiritually, etc, function right without her wise input!' (Gen. 2:24).
God seemed to instinctively know that He would have to strongly get that point across to the man as if he didn't, trouble would surely, erupt. Through the subsequent actions with regard to the 'fall', we see God was right to emphasize the importance of equality. That is, the first thing Adam did after the fall was 'blame' 'God and the woman.' He stated, 'it was that WOMAN that YOU gave me who is responsible for this' (Gen. 3:12).
That un-repentant mindset of Adam was passed down to men and to this day, men 'blame and fault' women for the wrongs of the world. Women in Scripture have always been portrayed from a negative perspective. In fact, women have been lied upon and blasphemed (Rev. 13:6).
For instance, Mary Magdalene has always been portrayed as a 'prostitute' when research now tells us that she was not. The same thing with 'Rahab'. Research now finds out that her alleged 'prostitution' was in reality, idol worship. Yeah sure, that Philistine woman, Delilah seduced Samson but he was just as guilty for going after that worldly type of woman in the first place. However, preachers curse her more than Samson's stupid, downright ridiculously flaunted 'worldly' behavior amidst being spirit-filled. (Jud. 13-16).
At any rate, back to the 'fall' and the different mentality that was about the man versus the woman. The woman fessed up to her wrongs. She admitted that she willfully listened to the deceiving serpent (Gen. 3:13). In so doing, she left no un-repentant ground for Satan to use. This is why righteous women throughout Scripture have always been the first to know of, and proclaim the might of God. Just look at the case of Samson's mother. The angel came to her, and she preached the truth to her husband, who doubted and was later visited by the angel (Judg. 13:2-25).
God's spirit was in Deborah and she was 'Judge' of all Israel (Judgs. 4). This truth alone, proves that God could not have meant that 'women shouldn't preach' as this woman not only preached, but led the whole nation.
Remember, Scripture says, 'God is the same today, yesterday and forever' (Heb. 13:8). Meaning, He did not mean for only these women of Old Testament Biblical history to lead and preach. Just look at the greatest miracle in American history, the woman Harriet Tubman. She bore witness that God raised 'HER' up. 19 times she went into the south and freed groups of God's enslaved people and 19 times, she successfully came out with men, women and children. No man, equalled what this valiant woman of God did. See then, God through his 'actions' is teaching us that 'He uses whom He will and His will is for women to preach, teach, prophesy and do exploits.' (Dn. 11:32).
Also, because of the King Barack's 'doubt and fear' during the reign of Deborah, the spirit of the Lord used the might and strength of the woman Jael to shame the 'man's' weakness and fear. Yes, Jael is the 'woman' song and praised throughout the ages for bringing down the enemy King Sisera (4:17-24). Can we hear a "Michele's in the white house representing?" :-)
Again, God's spirit is in both men and WOMEN and niether were meant to be constrained via demented males purposely misinterpreting the role of women. Male's misinterpretation stifled and destroyed many a good woman. Also, let us remember that God's testimony is, 'I hate divorce (Mal. 2:15). Yet, out of love and concern for women God allowed divorce in order to stop men from destroying women (Mal. 2:15).
In other words, 'divorce' was a gifted weapon from God to women. Fallen male's treatment of women can destroy the woman's role and function and so wreak havoc on planet earth. This happened in the past and it is happening today. In fact, it is prophesied that the anti-Christ will have no 'desire for women' (Dn. 11:37).
It is the spirit of Satan working through the hardhearted, un-repented mindset of fallen males. That 'Adam-ic' 'blame God and women' mentality is seen in males mistreatment of women worldwide. See, when Adam did not take responsibility for what he did, that part of his mindset became 'corrupted fertile ground.' As a result, Satan has had a field day using males to destroy God's precious creation, woman.
Just look at the so-called religion of Islam. The woman is oppressed and sorely afflicted. In Africa, the woman is chattel. The same with Asian nations. The male's warped, twisted mindset with regard to women keeps women and those nations steeped in darkness, chaos, destruction and death. This is the state of mind Adam unleashed for Satan to abuse when he did not repent of his evil participation in the fall and instead, 'blamed God and the woman' (Gen. 3:12).
Yet, we saw God's remedy towards Adam's action of standing there allowing the woman to be deceived (Gen. 3:1-8). God stepped in as husband to the woman and stood the ground that Adam should have stood by immediately expelling the serpent. At any rate, the serpent thought God's wrath would be upon the woman. However, instead, God stood up for the woman and informed the serpent that He too, would use the same trusting nature of the woman to bring down Satan's evil that he had just pulled off. In other words, God is proclaiming, "He still loves and cherishes the magnificent 'woman' He created."
However, let me say this, God did warn the woman of one of the consequences of her disobedience, he stated with regard to her husband Adam, 'your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall have rule over you' (Gen. 3:16). Male preachers have erroneously taught that that means God was giving the man 'rule over the woman.' However, reality is, God was warning the woman that the once 'equality' relationship she had with her husband in the garden was now 'destroyed'. The man would take 'illegal' rule over the woman. She would think or desire to be like it once was, but it was no more.
At any rate, God would use a woman to bring forth the redeemer to get back what Adam had just given away (Gen. 3:15). God would also 'put enmity' between Satan and the woman. Meaning, though Satan now had fertile ground to use the man's un-repentant state, the righteous women throughout the ages would be the key vessels used by the Most High to destroy the works of the devil.
Hence, we are told of mighty women used by God. There was Miriam the prophetess and leader of Israel right along with her brother Aaron and Moses. (Ex. 15:20; Mic. 6:4; etc.). Ruth and Naomi would come forth obediently setting the stage for the birth of King David who would be a type of Christ (Ruth 4:13-22). Esther would come forth and be the vessel God would use to stop a satanic genocide (Est.). Rahab a gentile African woman would be used to destroy idolatrous Canaanite factions (Josh. 2). Etc.
On and on the list would go of women being used mightily by God. As well, prophecy says in the last days, 'God would pour out His spirit on our sons and DAUGHTERS' (Joel 2:28-29). God said, the 'daughters' i.e. females i.e women would prophesy.' Well how can women prophesy i.e speak the profound truths of God if they are not allowed to 'speak or preach' in the church? Besides, in the New Testament this prophecy was fulfilled as Scripture makes mention of the 4 DAUGHTERS of Phillip 'prophesying' (Acts 21:9; 2:17). Again, the 'letter' i.e. 'written word' killeth but the Spirit through it 'actions' towards women gives life and truth with regard to God's will for women.
As so, on Pentacost, the Holy Spirit sure didn't believe women couldn't preach as the Holy Spirit came upon men and WOMEN and both were heard to be speaking the wisdom of God (Acts 2:17).
Not only that, prior to pentacost it was 'women' who were the first to know of, and speak the might and praises of God with regard to the Messiah's entrance on planet earth. Whereas, disobedient man was unaware of what was going on with regard to prophecy. Just read Luke's account of Elizabeth and Mary whose Hebrew name is Miriam. (Luke 1:39-56;) The fact is, the man Zachariah was stricken deaf and dumb for his 'unbelief' but not so, with the women. They with a loud voice, proclaimed, preached, annouced, and praised God before all of heaven for the miracle messiah that was now on Earth residing in the womb of young Mary/Miriam (Lk. 1:18-25).
Also, know this, it was women alone, who were the FIRST to know of the resurrected Christ (Matt. 28:1-11). It was none other than angels of the Most High, and Jesus himself, who commanded 'WOMEN' in the form of Mary Magdalene and the other 'women' to PREACH the first resurrection message (Mk. 16:1-8). The fact is, the might and righteousness of women gave them the strength to go to the tomb with intent to fulfill the Hebrew burial laws of God come what may, soldiers or no soldiers.
Whereas, the men were all cowardly hidden away. However, the women's fearless strength caused them to be the FIRST to PREACH of the resurrection. How then can preacher's erroneously preach that 'women must be silent, can't speak or preach?' The fact is, Paul must, have meant something else as he himself, often commended women preachers.
There was priscilla who was called an apostle right along with her husband (Acts 18:2, 18.26; Rom. 16:3). Phoebe was called a 'servant' but the Greek word for 'servant' was 'minister or preacher' (Rom. 1:16). Oh, and what happened to the many women on Pentacost who were baptized in the Holy Spirit? (Acts 2:17). Do you think they just kept silent after that day? No! It would have been a sin if they had. Instead, they too, went forth 'preaching and teaching.' We know that there were active spiritual groups run by women as Paul came upon the woman Lydia (Acts 16:14). Of a surety, she and the women with her were baptized in the Holy Spirit (Acts. 16:14-15).
In all these matters, please know of a certainty, that the 'letter' of the word taught erroneously has been a violation of God's will with regard to women. Women, like men, were ordained by Jesus/Yahshua Himself, to "go into all the world and PREACH' the gospel' (Mk. 16:15-18).
Bottom line, as all are baptized in the Holy Spirit, then 'all,' meaning both men and 'women,' should preach the word of God to a lost and dying world. We should not forsake the assemblying of ourselves together. We must come together as righteous men and WOMEN to preach, teach, prophesy within the church (Heb. 10:25).. It is the will of God. As such,, who can withstand it and prevail?!
In the meantime, God's wisdom has taught me many things with regard to His will for women. The first thing taught is that God's will was always for 'men and women' to speak and Glorify His name everywhere, including in the church. Let us remember the original word from God concerning 'Adam/man' and 'Adam/woman' (Note:Scripture tells us that God originally referred to the man and woman as 'Adam' (Gen. 5:2) Adam then called the 'woman,' 'woman' and God honored that (Gen. 2:23-24). It was only after the fall that the 'woman' was named 'Eve' (Gen. 3:20). Talk about the '3 faces of Eve,' eh?
At any rate, the original will of God was 'equality' for man and woman. Scripture tells us that 'God put His Spirit in both WOMEN and men' (Mal. 2:15). As so, if the spirit of the Living God abides in women just as it does in men then it is impossible that God would mean, 'women can't speak or preach in church' for how else can one express the power, might, glory of God but by speaking it?
Where else can we glorify God amongst our own but in the church? Besides, Scripture says, 'the body is the temple of the Lord' and therefore we must glorify God in our 'Temple/body.' How much more shall we glorify God amidst a united temple of believers who dwell in church buildings? (1 Cor. 3:16). It is wrong to teach otherwise. The original command was 'God blessed, 'THEM', not just HIM but HER as well and stated, 'have dominion (subdue with kindness) the Earth and all that is therein" (Gen. 1:26-28). That's 'dominion' over the Earth and NOT each other.
Now, that said, the function of men and women is quite different. Masculinity does act as a figure head, that Femininity just naturally yields to within a marriage setting. I cannot tell you how many women want to feel protected with a strong, intelligent, righteous man. Unfortunately, with men so screwed up today, they are going to stay in 'want.'
At any rate, this function is proper in a marriage setting alone. Amidst that setting, the woman enjoys playing the nurturer, co-counselor in all 'decision' making aspects for Scripture says, 'it was not good for man to be alone' (Gen. 2:18). What that means is, not only physically alone, but as well alone, in making decisions. Hence, God would emphasize the importance of the woman's role when God brought His creation 'woman' to man. He more or less told Adam, 'now listen, you've been enjoying naming animals and the such, but now, this wonderful creation 'woman' is not for you to 'take authority over' in the sense that you have had the joy of naming animals I brought to you. She is now co-namer of all things with you. She is your equal and you must listen and heed her wisdom as that which is as great and important to your survival than your own thinking. In fact, she is your survival, your 'helper!' You cannot mentally, spiritually, etc, function right without her wise input!' (Gen. 2:24).
God seemed to instinctively know that He would have to strongly get that point across to the man as if he didn't, trouble would surely, erupt. Through the subsequent actions with regard to the 'fall', we see God was right to emphasize the importance of equality. That is, the first thing Adam did after the fall was 'blame' 'God and the woman.' He stated, 'it was that WOMAN that YOU gave me who is responsible for this' (Gen. 3:12).
That un-repentant mindset of Adam was passed down to men and to this day, men 'blame and fault' women for the wrongs of the world. Women in Scripture have always been portrayed from a negative perspective. In fact, women have been lied upon and blasphemed (Rev. 13:6).
For instance, Mary Magdalene has always been portrayed as a 'prostitute' when research now tells us that she was not. The same thing with 'Rahab'. Research now finds out that her alleged 'prostitution' was in reality, idol worship. Yeah sure, that Philistine woman, Delilah seduced Samson but he was just as guilty for going after that worldly type of woman in the first place. However, preachers curse her more than Samson's stupid, downright ridiculously flaunted 'worldly' behavior amidst being spirit-filled. (Jud. 13-16).
At any rate, back to the 'fall' and the different mentality that was about the man versus the woman. The woman fessed up to her wrongs. She admitted that she willfully listened to the deceiving serpent (Gen. 3:13). In so doing, she left no un-repentant ground for Satan to use. This is why righteous women throughout Scripture have always been the first to know of, and proclaim the might of God. Just look at the case of Samson's mother. The angel came to her, and she preached the truth to her husband, who doubted and was later visited by the angel (Judg. 13:2-25).
God's spirit was in Deborah and she was 'Judge' of all Israel (Judgs. 4). This truth alone, proves that God could not have meant that 'women shouldn't preach' as this woman not only preached, but led the whole nation.
Remember, Scripture says, 'God is the same today, yesterday and forever' (Heb. 13:8). Meaning, He did not mean for only these women of Old Testament Biblical history to lead and preach. Just look at the greatest miracle in American history, the woman Harriet Tubman. She bore witness that God raised 'HER' up. 19 times she went into the south and freed groups of God's enslaved people and 19 times, she successfully came out with men, women and children. No man, equalled what this valiant woman of God did. See then, God through his 'actions' is teaching us that 'He uses whom He will and His will is for women to preach, teach, prophesy and do exploits.' (Dn. 11:32).
Also, because of the King Barack's 'doubt and fear' during the reign of Deborah, the spirit of the Lord used the might and strength of the woman Jael to shame the 'man's' weakness and fear. Yes, Jael is the 'woman' song and praised throughout the ages for bringing down the enemy King Sisera (4:17-24). Can we hear a "Michele's in the white house representing?" :-)
Again, God's spirit is in both men and WOMEN and niether were meant to be constrained via demented males purposely misinterpreting the role of women. Male's misinterpretation stifled and destroyed many a good woman. Also, let us remember that God's testimony is, 'I hate divorce (Mal. 2:15). Yet, out of love and concern for women God allowed divorce in order to stop men from destroying women (Mal. 2:15).
In other words, 'divorce' was a gifted weapon from God to women. Fallen male's treatment of women can destroy the woman's role and function and so wreak havoc on planet earth. This happened in the past and it is happening today. In fact, it is prophesied that the anti-Christ will have no 'desire for women' (Dn. 11:37).
It is the spirit of Satan working through the hardhearted, un-repented mindset of fallen males. That 'Adam-ic' 'blame God and women' mentality is seen in males mistreatment of women worldwide. See, when Adam did not take responsibility for what he did, that part of his mindset became 'corrupted fertile ground.' As a result, Satan has had a field day using males to destroy God's precious creation, woman.
Just look at the so-called religion of Islam. The woman is oppressed and sorely afflicted. In Africa, the woman is chattel. The same with Asian nations. The male's warped, twisted mindset with regard to women keeps women and those nations steeped in darkness, chaos, destruction and death. This is the state of mind Adam unleashed for Satan to abuse when he did not repent of his evil participation in the fall and instead, 'blamed God and the woman' (Gen. 3:12).
Yet, we saw God's remedy towards Adam's action of standing there allowing the woman to be deceived (Gen. 3:1-8). God stepped in as husband to the woman and stood the ground that Adam should have stood by immediately expelling the serpent. At any rate, the serpent thought God's wrath would be upon the woman. However, instead, God stood up for the woman and informed the serpent that He too, would use the same trusting nature of the woman to bring down Satan's evil that he had just pulled off. In other words, God is proclaiming, "He still loves and cherishes the magnificent 'woman' He created."
However, let me say this, God did warn the woman of one of the consequences of her disobedience, he stated with regard to her husband Adam, 'your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall have rule over you' (Gen. 3:16). Male preachers have erroneously taught that that means God was giving the man 'rule over the woman.' However, reality is, God was warning the woman that the once 'equality' relationship she had with her husband in the garden was now 'destroyed'. The man would take 'illegal' rule over the woman. She would think or desire to be like it once was, but it was no more.
At any rate, God would use a woman to bring forth the redeemer to get back what Adam had just given away (Gen. 3:15). God would also 'put enmity' between Satan and the woman. Meaning, though Satan now had fertile ground to use the man's un-repentant state, the righteous women throughout the ages would be the key vessels used by the Most High to destroy the works of the devil.
Hence, we are told of mighty women used by God. There was Miriam the prophetess and leader of Israel right along with her brother Aaron and Moses. (Ex. 15:20; Mic. 6:4; etc.). Ruth and Naomi would come forth obediently setting the stage for the birth of King David who would be a type of Christ (Ruth 4:13-22). Esther would come forth and be the vessel God would use to stop a satanic genocide (Est.). Rahab a gentile African woman would be used to destroy idolatrous Canaanite factions (Josh. 2). Etc.
On and on the list would go of women being used mightily by God. As well, prophecy says in the last days, 'God would pour out His spirit on our sons and DAUGHTERS' (Joel 2:28-29). God said, the 'daughters' i.e. females i.e women would prophesy.' Well how can women prophesy i.e speak the profound truths of God if they are not allowed to 'speak or preach' in the church? Besides, in the New Testament this prophecy was fulfilled as Scripture makes mention of the 4 DAUGHTERS of Phillip 'prophesying' (Acts 21:9; 2:17). Again, the 'letter' i.e. 'written word' killeth but the Spirit through it 'actions' towards women gives life and truth with regard to God's will for women.
As so, on Pentacost, the Holy Spirit sure didn't believe women couldn't preach as the Holy Spirit came upon men and WOMEN and both were heard to be speaking the wisdom of God (Acts 2:17).
Not only that, prior to pentacost it was 'women' who were the first to know of, and speak the might and praises of God with regard to the Messiah's entrance on planet earth. Whereas, disobedient man was unaware of what was going on with regard to prophecy. Just read Luke's account of Elizabeth and Mary whose Hebrew name is Miriam. (Luke 1:39-56;) The fact is, the man Zachariah was stricken deaf and dumb for his 'unbelief' but not so, with the women. They with a loud voice, proclaimed, preached, annouced, and praised God before all of heaven for the miracle messiah that was now on Earth residing in the womb of young Mary/Miriam (Lk. 1:18-25).
Also, know this, it was women alone, who were the FIRST to know of the resurrected Christ (Matt. 28:1-11). It was none other than angels of the Most High, and Jesus himself, who commanded 'WOMEN' in the form of Mary Magdalene and the other 'women' to PREACH the first resurrection message (Mk. 16:1-8). The fact is, the might and righteousness of women gave them the strength to go to the tomb with intent to fulfill the Hebrew burial laws of God come what may, soldiers or no soldiers.
Whereas, the men were all cowardly hidden away. However, the women's fearless strength caused them to be the FIRST to PREACH of the resurrection. How then can preacher's erroneously preach that 'women must be silent, can't speak or preach?' The fact is, Paul must, have meant something else as he himself, often commended women preachers.
There was priscilla who was called an apostle right along with her husband (Acts 18:2, 18.26; Rom. 16:3). Phoebe was called a 'servant' but the Greek word for 'servant' was 'minister or preacher' (Rom. 1:16). Oh, and what happened to the many women on Pentacost who were baptized in the Holy Spirit? (Acts 2:17). Do you think they just kept silent after that day? No! It would have been a sin if they had. Instead, they too, went forth 'preaching and teaching.' We know that there were active spiritual groups run by women as Paul came upon the woman Lydia (Acts 16:14). Of a surety, she and the women with her were baptized in the Holy Spirit (Acts. 16:14-15).
In all these matters, please know of a certainty, that the 'letter' of the word taught erroneously has been a violation of God's will with regard to women. Women, like men, were ordained by Jesus/Yahshua Himself, to "go into all the world and PREACH' the gospel' (Mk. 16:15-18).
Bottom line, as all are baptized in the Holy Spirit, then 'all,' meaning both men and 'women,' should preach the word of God to a lost and dying world. We should not forsake the assemblying of ourselves together. We must come together as righteous men and WOMEN to preach, teach, prophesy within the church (Heb. 10:25).. It is the will of God. As such,, who can withstand it and prevail?!
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Permalink Reply by Ms. Elaine Johnson on
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Get thee behind me SATAN! In Jesus Name!
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Permalink Reply by Evangelist Lisa Kyles on
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I feel like people has taken these scripture and come aganist.......women.....that is trying to spead the Gospel so others can be save
"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law" (1 Corinthians 14:34).
"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence" (1 Timothy 2:11-12)
(no singing, praising God, no shouting, no teaching..etc..etc...) just come to church and sit.....Hmmmmmm having a hard time grasping that one..
BUT I HAVE A QUESTION
Until this day I rec'd different answers even from Bishops, Pastors..etc..etc. who are men.... I asked.........since you are using these scripture lets turn this around...Can a women be over a group of Women in a church setting, where there is no men attending services and are not even apart of that church...Nothing but women and children, ............since they are using the scritpure that a women can't teach or have authority of Man!!! are you saying that God can......use a women to preach, prophesise.etc..over a Body of Sisters, ......But not over a Body that has Men in the Mist.....
THESE ARE THE ANSWERS I REC'D
1. Yes as long there is no Men in the mist
2. No a Man have to be over a Women in a church setting Only God speaks to Man because he is the head
3.No a Man is the only one Can lead a person to Christ and give them direction
4. Timothy told the Age women to teach the younger women anyway
5. Yes God isn't a bias God when it comes to his word he can use anyone to give a person a word from HIm
6. Since there is more women in the church any way... let them be use by God..... Take the women out of the church what will you have a few men left ....any way...
Just a few answer i rec'd and oh boy I rec'd some crazy answers...
My point is that God can use whomever he please to give a divine message from Him.... Is the 5 fold ministry is only subject to Men only ??? (Apostle, Prophets, Evangelist, Pastors and Teachers). Need scripture stating that Or the women is just only be use as Teachers, Prophtess and nothing else??? Or do they suppose to SHUT UP and be quiet!!!
What about what timothy say about the age women teach the younger women.( I see the Teacher).there were women prophetess in the bible(daughters of phillip, miriam, anna, huldah, noadiah, and Deborah) (I see the Prophtess) Pheobe the deaconess,(hmmmmmmm) Priscilla, Eudia, Syntyche, Junia.(hmmmmmm)
If the women weren't suppose have authority over men. or suppose to kept slient.... why these women used and was name in the bible? -
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Permalink Reply by Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene on
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Good reply.
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Yes, very good reply.....it's no wonder God is using women, Amen? :-)
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I see ALOT of error here! Men claiming that woen cannot have authority over the male. The proper word used was "usurp". I asked this before, and I'll ask this again: GIVE THE TOTAL DEFINITION TO THE WORD USURP.
You will see that it literally means "claim with not right;take by FORCE". In other words, Paul said I would that a women "try to lord over a man" wrongfully. He was speaking of the contentious women as mentioned in Proverbs. There is inconsistancy here is you say a woman cannot lead, and yet Deborah was judge over the ENTIRE nation of Israel, following in the footsteps of Moses and Joshua. -
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Permalink Reply by N'ZI Amani Germain on
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Dear brothers and sisters,
If you lead the women astray you will be accountable for that before the throne of the Lord.
Besides, can someone explain me thoroughly 1 Corinthians 14: 33-38 and 1Timothy 2:11-15?
Can someone help me?
Please, Show me in the Bible where a woman has been called an Evangelist or a Pastor!
Please show me!!!
In the Bible, Philippe (A MAN) was the only one who has been called “EVANGELIST” expressly:
« Leaving the next day, we reached Caesarea and stayed at the house of Philip the EVANGELIST, one of the Seven.”
Acts 21:8
Timothy (A MAN) as for him was exhorted to make work of an EVANGELIST:
« But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry”.
2 Timothy 4:5
Moreover, the Overseer or the Bishop of an assembly must be a MAN:
“Here is a trustworthy saying: If anyone sets his heart on being an overseer, he desires a noble task. Now the overseer must be above reproach, the HUSBAND of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him with proper respect. (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's church?) He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil's trap.”
1 Timothy 3:1-7
“The reason I left you in Crete was that you might straighten out what was left unfinished and appoint elders in every town, as I directed you. An elder must be blameless, the HUSBAND of but one wife, a MAN whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient. Since an overseer is entrusted with God's work, he must be blameless - not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. Rather he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.”
Titus 1:5-9
In Israel were there women among the descendants of Levi who became priests? No!
“Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people - that is, their brothers - even though their brothers are descended from Abraham. This MAN, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises. And without doubt the lesser person is blessed by the greater. In the one case, the tenth is collected by MEN who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living. One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham”.
Hebrews 7:5-9
Let me tell you that God was against and He is still against women being overseers and holding authority over men. AMEN!
The prophets established by God in the church belong to the five ministries (Ephesians 4:11). The gift of prophecy is one of the nine gifts of the Spirit (1Corinthians 12).
In the Old Testament, are mentioned the prophetess Miriam (Exodus 15), the prophetess Deborah (Judges 4), the prophetess Hulda (2 Kings 22), the prophetess to whom Isaiah went (Isaiah 8:3) and so on.
In the New Testament we can mention the prophetess Anna (Luke 2: 36-38).
But none of those women has become an Overseer in the church. Anna was not a Teacher or an Overseer; she never left the temple though. She worshiped night and day, fasting and praying. Can we insinuate that Anna was an Overseer because she never left the temple? No! Anna knew her place in the church. She interceded to support the work of God. Women, this is what you must do instead of running towards the Pulpit. Please leave the pulpit; it’s not your place!
Your duty is to pray, to intercede night and day in order to support the men of God as Priscilla and Aquila did aside Paul.
Woman’s place is behind.
For example, the Bible declares that “After this, Jesus traveled about from one town and village to another, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of God. The Twelve were with him, and also some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases: Mary (called Magdalene) from whom seven demons had come out; Joanna the wife of Cuza, the manager of Herod's household; Susanna; and many others. These women were helping to support them out of their own means.”
Luke 8:1-3
Tell me, were the women who followed Jesus and supported His work by their own means Overseers or Apostles in a sense equivalent to that of the twelve?
Yes, woman’s place is behind!
All those women never hold authority over men, they new their role, their place in the church.
All that belongs to God’s salvation plan was revealed to the prophets and apostles (Ephesians 3:5; Revelation 10:7).
The Ministries and the gifts must be placed correctly in their divine order and left in their place.
No woman was leader in the early church. The Holy Scriptures never state that Priscilla, Chloe or Phoebe were leaders or Overseers in the Church.
Phoebe was a servant, namely a deaconess of the church in Cenchrea (Romans 16:1). She was not a Pastor.
Priscilla and Aquila were fellow workers of Paul (Romans 16:3).
For example, Deborah was the felow worker of Barak, but she was not the leader of Israel, Barak was. It’s not because Deborah prophesied and accompanied Barak to Kedesh that she was the leader of Israel at that time. Deborah played her role as a MOTHER not as a man or an Overseer. The Bible declares: “Then Deborah said to Barak, "Go! This is the day the LORD has given Sisera into your hands” (Judges 4:14). Amen!
It was the same thing for Priscilla and Aquila aside Paul. Being felow workers of Paul doesn’t necessarily mean that they were leaders in the early church. No!
You said that a woman (“Junia”) was called an “Apostle” by Paul. There’s no contradiction in the Bible.
This is what the Bible truly says:
”Greet Andronicus and Junias, my relatives who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was.”
Romans 16:7
The Bible, The New International Version says “JUNIAS”. “JUNIAS” is a Latin name. Junias was a Man, a Christian of Rome, relative and ancient companion of captivity of Paul.
No woman was an “apostle” in a sense equivalent to that of Peter and Paul.
A woman can prophesy or pray in the assembly (1 Corinthians 11: 4-5). A woman can become a judge. Today, we see everywhere women who are judges and that does not scandalize anybody. It’s simply a profession that they do exert. But in the Assembly of God, women can not hold authority over men.
Did Deborah hold authority over men?
No!
Barak was to go to war alone but he decided to go with Deborah, a woman who was not entitled to go to war. The attitude of Barak was to some extent an escape of responsibility, a disengagement.
Men who authorize women to teach in their assemblies resemble Barak: “Barak said to her, "If you go with me, I will go; but if you don't go with me, I won't go."(Judges 4:8)
Let us see what Deborah who knew her true position did say to barak:
"Very well," Deborah said, "I will go with you. But because of the way you are going about this, the honor will not be yours, for the LORD will hand Sisera over to a woman." So Deborah went with Barak to Kedesh, where he summoned Zebulun and Naphtali. Ten thousand men followed him, and Deborah also went with him.” (Judges 4:9-10)
Didn’t Deborah refer to gender bias here? (“For the LORD will hand Sisera over to a woman”) Amen!
Authority belongs to man. Deborah knew. Let us listen to an extract of her canticle:
“Village life in Israel ceased, ceased until I, Deborah, arose, arose a mother in Israel.”
(Judges 5:7)
Deborah arose like a mother in Israel. Yes A MOTHER!
Women, you are MOTHERS. THIS IS YOUR TRUE POSITION IN THE BODY OF CHRIST. Amen!
Deborah was not an overseer of a church but a MOTHER.
Women, you must labour, you must toil, you must strive, you must pray, you must intercede; you must endeavour to support the work of God as MOTHERS.
You should not become pastors; your true position has been shown by Deborah. You are mothers.
The Bible says: “But women will be saved through childbearing - if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.”
1 Timothy 2:15
This is your true position in Jesus-Christ. As good mothers you ought to teach what is good to your daughters:”
“Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.”
Titus 2:3-5
Old women should not train the younger women to become pastors or to hold authority over men. But they should teach them to become also good mothers, loving their husbands and children, being self-controlled and pure, being busy at home, being kind, and being subject to their husbands.
Women, this is your role as members of the body of Christ. You have many things to do. Then do not usurp the role of the men. Not only you must teach the younger women but also your behavior owes to be a preaching for your husbands:
“Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight. For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands, like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.
1 Peter 3:1-6
I do invite you to search and read my message entitled:
WOMEN OF GOD, ARE YOU REALLY CONSCIOUS OF THE KEY ROLE THAT YOU OUGHT TO PLAY IN THE BODY OF CHRIST?
Again I warn you: If you mislead the women our Lord will hold you accountable for that.
"He who has an hear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches"!
May God enlighten you!
Blessings,
Bro. Germain
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The same exactly words you stated I read them before. Heard it so many times...
OIC what going on.
Women don't you call your self evangelist, or Pastor, You can be use .by God.... but don't you use the title....God can use you speak a word .as a prophtess, use you to teach to other women, you can testify, teach children sunday school, help with the poor, sew clothes, give financially..etc..etc..
..................But don't you preach the word of God..that not your role..............
OH it a TITLE ISSUE!!! those titles belongs to Man.(the 5-fold ministry).. that is a males role and you are usrpying your authority when you take over a Male's role.........
so you are saying that only a Male fiqure can lead someone to Christ, Preach the word, Only a Male fiqure can cast out devils, only a male fiqure can lay hands on the sick, only a male fiqure and be witness after the Holy Ghost come upon them........... and that everyone must be submissive to the male fiqure... because God only speaks to and through the Male fiqure because that's there role
...........................Is that what you are telling us!!
Yes I understand that God call the Male first......the 12 disciples...... because they have to be the first partakers.......(Christ, Male, Female-divine Order)...............But somewhere down the line...women were use to help in the ministry...to build the kingdom of God....Ministry goes beyound preaching the Gospel... it more to it.....I beleive it going to take both gender working under the Direction of the True HOLY GHOST.......bring people to Christ...................souls are dying everyday.... on their way to a DEVL'S Hell.......And we bickering over who can't preach the word of God....or draw some to Christ...
But all I can say when we all stand before the Judgement seat of the MOST HIGH GOD..we all going to see what is true and false, what was truly right and wrong. we all going to be judge.
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-”Greet Andronicus and Junias, my relatives who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was.”-Romans 16:7
The Bible, The New International Version says “JUNIAS”. “JUNIAS” is a Latin name. Junias was a Man, a Christian of Rome, relative and ancient companion of captivity of Paul.
The problem of translating the name arises because, when the New Testament was composed, Greek was normally written without accents, although these already had been invented. If written with an acute accent on the penultimate syllable (Ἰουνίαν), the name is "Junia" (a woman's name); if with a circumflex accent on the final syllable (Ἰουνιᾶν), it is "Junias" (a man's). No conclusion can be drawn from the masculine gender of the associated words in the same verse, since they apply also to the male Andronicus. Accordingly, even if Junia(s) is a woman, the rules of Greek grammar put those words in the masculine form. The overwhelming choice of the male form, (Ἰουνιᾶν), when in the 9th century accents were added in manuscripts, may have been influenced by the grammatical gender of these words, but it has also been attributed to a supposed bias on the part of scribes against the idea of a female apostle.[1] Two Greek manuscripts have "Julia" (clearly a woman's name) instead of "Junia(s)" in this verse. One is papyrus P46 of about the year 200. The other is the thirteenth-century minuscule manuscript catalogued as "6". "Julia" is also the reading in some Latin manuscripts, in one tradition of Coptic manuscripts and in Ethiopic manuscripts. Three Greek uncial manuscripts have the inverse substitution, ("Junia(s)" in place of "Julia") in verse 16:15. This raises the question whether the proximity of the two names, "Junia(s)" and "Julia", on the same page is the reason why, in both cases, a few scribes replaced one name with the other. Only one record of the male name "Junias" has been discovered in extra-biblical Greek literature, which names him as the bishop of Apameia of Syria. Three clear occurrences of "Junia" have been found. While earlier searches for "Junias" in Latin also yielded no evidence, it is reported that "Junias" has been found as a Latin nickname or diminutive for the name "Junianas", which was not uncommon both in Greek and Latin.[2] Among the early Church Fathers, the United Bible Societies The Greek New Testament only cites Jerome as having read the name "Julia" in verse 16:7 and Chrysostom as having understood the name as "Junia". Chrysostom wrote: "O how great is the devotion of this woman that she should be counted worthy of the appellation of apostle!"[3] Although among the Fathers, "an almost universal sense that this was a woman’s name surfaces—at least through the twelfth century, ... this must be couched tentatively because although at least seventeen fathers discuss the issue (see Fitzmyer’s commentary on Romans for the data), the majority of these are Latin fathers,"[2] and "Junia", but not "Junias", was a common enough name in Latin. It has even been claimed that the first known mention of Junia as a male is by Aegidus of Rome (1245-1316), though this ignores the evidence of the Greek manuscripts about how the name was actually interpreted at least from the ninth century onward. The Coptic Synaxarium reading for the twenty-third of Bashans identifies Junia the Apostle as being a man of the tribe of Judah.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junia
-ONCE AGAIN, DEFINE THE WORD USURP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't dodge or avoid the truth, DEFINE THE WORD USURP! It means to forcefully take a position. LOOK IT UP!
-Besides, can someone explain me thoroughly 1 Corinthians 14: 33-38 and 1Timothy 2:11-15?
1st Corinthians 14:33-38 says: 33For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
36What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
37If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
38But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
If you take this literally and alone, then you have totally disrespected what he said in chapter 11:4-5- "Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven." What happened to silence here? And what about the famous Joel Chapter 2 prophesy?!!?Prophesy is a greater gift than tongues for it come to "edify the church", so if a woman prophesies, she is edifying the church. Anna did this exact thing when sh seen baby JESUS and taught MEN and woman of what HE was going to do (Luke 2:39). If it were women only, Luke a very detailed doctor would have said so. Also, what about Acts 18:26 where Priscilla teamed up with her husband in TEACHING A MAN, and where 1st Corinthians 16:19 talks again of the both of them running a church in the house, indicating a "Pastor/Co-Pastor relationship" in ministry? If she was to keep silence then she broke the law of the Apostles clearly over and over and over again. Paul however didn't condemn her for teaching and speaking openly, but saluted her in Romans and Corinthians, that two separate cities that she was known for her ministry of teaching!
-Please, Show me in the Bible where a woman has been called an Evangelist or a Pastor!
Please show me!!! In the Bible, Philippe (A MAN) was the only one who has been called “EVANGELIST” expressly:
"Leaving the next day, we reached Caesarea and stayed at the house of Philip the EVANGELIST, one of the Seven.”-Acts 21:8
Timothy (A MAN) as for him was exhorted to make work of an EVANGELIST:
« But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry”.
How convenient that you would address the two offices that have been the LEAST mentioned in the NT! The NT NEVER speaks of the Pastor office except for in Ephesians. The Pastor however is literally called "Shepherd". Now we cannot find "Pastor", but we can SURE find female shepherds:
Exodus 2-"Now the priest of Midian had seven daughters: and they came and drew water, and filled the troughs to water their father's flock."
Genesis 29:9 -"While he was still speaking to them, Rachel came with her father's sheep, for she was a shepherdess."
How about you name a verse that CLEARLY says that a woman CANNOT be an Evangelist or Pastor.
-Do you understand what a disciple is? A disciple is one who learns under a teacher in order to pick up the "trade" and continue the work in the same position as their master/mentor. We know of male disciples, but how about FEMALE disciples? Acts 9:36 speaks of a female disciple named Tabitha. By your definition though, she was just being trained to do the dishes for JESUS, but the Bible says different! She was not just a convert, but one being trained to preach and carry the Gospel. Don't limit her ministry to just making garments either, for if you do that, then the same should be done of Paul (a tent maker), and Peter (fisherman).
-Did Deborah hold authority over men? No! Barak was to go to war alone but he decided to go with Deborah, a woman who was not entitled to go to war. The attitude of Barak was to some extent an escape of responsibility, a disengagement.
How about actually READING the entire scripture for us? What does Judges 4:4 say? If you won't state it, then I will:"And Deborah a prophetess the wife of Lapidoth she judged Israel at that time"
"she judged" The Hebrew word for judge is "shaphat" (shaw-fat')- to judge, i.e. pronounce sentence (for or against); by implication, to vindicate or punish; by extension, to govern; passively, to litigate
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Yet no one wants to acknowledge the foolishness of the traditional interpretation straight from the garden.
Several are here now, where is my answer to Genesis 2:23? Why did Adam change his name from "Adam" as a name given by God to "Man?" Why did he choose to reject the God-desired name of "Eve" for the female and disobediently call her "Woman" instead? This man whom you claim was so anointed to rightly handle the things of God? Why then did God step back into that garden and correct the man in Genesis 3:9? Calling him "Adam" and not "Man." How could the female have had any idea who the person "Adam" even was, as she had only known him as "Man?" Why is it that only the fallen female rightly made the garden confession? What was your "exclusively" anointed priest Adam thinking about then? Why did he prove a greater regard to lodge accusation instead? Why is Adam not acknowledged within the texts of the garden story (according to the Hebrew as well) as a "husband" and yet the female (who according to Adam was merely "Woman") is consistently identified as "wife," (thanks again Moreh!) proof that she alone was walking in right relationship within the first marriage. I still find myself waiting for your answers.
Why were there no females among the twelve? Because every single first century man present would have gone to hell having tripped over a person with a uterus in the pulpit. Jesus knew that.
Get "The Real Skinny on Eve" and clean up this mess.
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Though GOD did correct ADAM, and Eve as you say, gave the correct answer/
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Brother West,
While both fell under the curse due to the entrance of sin into the earthly realm, only Adam was punished by God in the garden. Genesis 3:16 is not a curse upon the female, you only believe so based upon in inaccurate interpretation. Even in short, why would God punish a female who He even according to his own foreknowledge honored in both name and title/reward in a fallen garden? Please remember, a disobedient Adam did not properly name the female until after the fall. Her name as given by God was always to be "Eve" meaning "life-giver" in the Hebrew and never "Woman." (or should my own God insult me too as does the male "headship" of the church?) A punished Adam was also now complelled by God to call her "mother of all living." We must always note here, that a still unconfessed Adam respectly received no like title speaking to life and yet he would go on to physically father every child belonging to Eve. Thus the title a rightly confessed Eve earned, that an unconfessed Adam likewise respectively did not, was spiritual. Notice how everything concerning Eve spoke to life.
Now what do you really think mattered more to God in terms of an elevation, an unconfessed Adam's physical male anatomy, or the confessed state of a now proven to be righteous Eve? (But still I am not like you. My argument for the female is not about elevation but equality).
And why is it, that the sins of Adam are so very easily brushed aside and even completely unaddressed when the state and plight of the female (since time beginning) has been condemned by men, even of the church, and even in the face of a confession (Genesis 3:13) honored by God? But who do you fear?
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Nice rambling, yet all received word from God, as too the wages of their deeds.
Did not in any way dismiss Adam form anything.
Who said her confession meant nothing??????
Stay on topic. For if you read the story as it is written/ Eve knew better/ stated so her own self...
Yet sin did not enter in by her sin/ it did when she so enticed Adam to eat from the tree....
Sis is sin/ no matter how you look at it.
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