Women are ordained by GOD to preach the gospel!
The Bible teaches that, "Truth crushed to the ground is rising again!" (Ps. 85:11 PP). A part of that truth that is springing forth from the earth is the truth about God and women. Scripture tells us that the 'the letter killeth, the spirit giveth life' (2 Cor. 3:6). A lot of things are written in Scripture that seemingly forbid women participation in the church. However, research has found that Paul's words were taken out of context and in fact, had more to do with protocol going on in the newly established churches of that time.
In the meantime, God's wisdom has taught me many things with regard to His will for women. The first thing taught is that God's will was always for 'men and women' to speak and Glorify His name everywhere, including in the church. Let us remember the original word from God concerning 'Adam/man' and 'Adam/woman' (Note:Scripture tells us that God originally referred to the man and woman as 'Adam' (Gen. 5:2) Adam then called the 'woman,' 'woman' and God honored that (Gen. 2:23-24). It was only after the fall that the 'woman' was named 'Eve' (Gen. 3:20). Talk about the '3 faces of Eve,' eh?
At any rate, the original will of God was 'equality' for man and woman. Scripture tells us that 'God put His Spirit in both WOMEN and men' (Mal. 2:15). As so, if the spirit of the Living God abides in women just as it does in men then it is impossible that God would mean, 'women can't speak or preach in church' for how else can one express the power, might, glory of God but by speaking it?
Where else can we glorify God amongst our own but in the church? Besides, Scripture says, 'the body is the temple of the Lord' and therefore we must glorify God in our 'Temple/body.' How much more shall we glorify God amidst a united temple of believers who dwell in church buildings? (1 Cor. 3:16). It is wrong to teach otherwise. The original command was 'God blessed, 'THEM', not just HIM but HER as well and stated, 'have dominion (subdue with kindness) the Earth and all that is therein" (Gen. 1:26-28). That's 'dominion' over the Earth and NOT each other.
Now, that said, the function of men and women is quite different. Masculinity does act as a figure head, that Femininity just naturally yields to within a marriage setting. I cannot tell you how many women want to feel protected with a strong, intelligent, righteous man. Unfortunately, with men so screwed up today, they are going to stay in 'want.'
At any rate, this function is proper in a marriage setting alone. Amidst that setting, the woman enjoys playing the nurturer, co-counselor in all 'decision' making aspects for Scripture says, 'it was not good for man to be alone' (Gen. 2:18). What that means is, not only physically alone, but as well alone, in making decisions. Hence, God would emphasize the importance of the woman's role when God brought His creation 'woman' to man. He more or less told Adam, 'now listen, you've been enjoying naming animals and the such, but now, this wonderful creation 'woman' is not for you to 'take authority over' in the sense that you have had the joy of naming animals I brought to you. She is now co-namer of all things with you. She is your equal and you must listen and heed her wisdom as that which is as great and important to your survival than your own thinking. In fact, she is your survival, your 'helper!' You cannot mentally, spiritually, etc, function right without her wise input!' (Gen. 2:24).
God seemed to instinctively know that He would have to strongly get that point across to the man as if he didn't, trouble would surely, erupt. Through the subsequent actions with regard to the 'fall', we see God was right to emphasize the importance of equality. That is, the first thing Adam did after the fall was 'blame' 'God and the woman.' He stated, 'it was that WOMAN that YOU gave me who is responsible for this' (Gen. 3:12).
That un-repentant mindset of Adam was passed down to men and to this day, men 'blame and fault' women for the wrongs of the world. Women in Scripture have always been portrayed from a negative perspective. In fact, women have been lied upon and blasphemed (Rev. 13:6).
For instance, Mary Magdalene has always been portrayed as a 'prostitute' when research now tells us that she was not. The same thing with 'Rahab'. Research now finds out that her alleged 'prostitution' was in reality, idol worship. Yeah sure, that Philistine woman, Delilah seduced Samson but he was just as guilty for going after that worldly type of woman in the first place. However, preachers curse her more than Samson's stupid, downright ridiculously flaunted 'worldly' behavior amidst being spirit-filled. (Jud. 13-16).
At any rate, back to the 'fall' and the different mentality that was about the man versus the woman. The woman fessed up to her wrongs. She admitted that she willfully listened to the deceiving serpent (Gen. 3:13). In so doing, she left no un-repentant ground for Satan to use. This is why righteous women throughout Scripture have always been the first to know of, and proclaim the might of God. Just look at the case of Samson's mother. The angel came to her, and she preached the truth to her husband, who doubted and was later visited by the angel (Judg. 13:2-25).
God's spirit was in Deborah and she was 'Judge' of all Israel (Judgs. 4). This truth alone, proves that God could not have meant that 'women shouldn't preach' as this woman not only preached, but led the whole nation.
Remember, Scripture says, 'God is the same today, yesterday and forever' (Heb. 13:8). Meaning, He did not mean for only these women of Old Testament Biblical history to lead and preach. Just look at the greatest miracle in American history, the woman Harriet Tubman. She bore witness that God raised 'HER' up. 19 times she went into the south and freed groups of God's enslaved people and 19 times, she successfully came out with men, women and children. No man, equalled what this valiant woman of God did. See then, God through his 'actions' is teaching us that 'He uses whom He will and His will is for women to preach, teach, prophesy and do exploits.' (Dn. 11:32).
Also, because of the King Barack's 'doubt and fear' during the reign of Deborah, the spirit of the Lord used the might and strength of the woman Jael to shame the 'man's' weakness and fear. Yes, Jael is the 'woman' song and praised throughout the ages for bringing down the enemy King Sisera (4:17-24). Can we hear a "Michele's in the white house representing?" :-)
Again, God's spirit is in both men and WOMEN and niether were meant to be constrained via demented males purposely misinterpreting the role of women. Male's misinterpretation stifled and destroyed many a good woman. Also, let us remember that God's testimony is, 'I hate divorce (Mal. 2:15). Yet, out of love and concern for women God allowed divorce in order to stop men from destroying women (Mal. 2:15).
In other words, 'divorce' was a gifted weapon from God to women. Fallen male's treatment of women can destroy the woman's role and function and so wreak havoc on planet earth. This happened in the past and it is happening today. In fact, it is prophesied that the anti-Christ will have no 'desire for women' (Dn. 11:37).
It is the spirit of Satan working through the hardhearted, un-repented mindset of fallen males. That 'Adam-ic' 'blame God and women' mentality is seen in males mistreatment of women worldwide. See, when Adam did not take responsibility for what he did, that part of his mindset became 'corrupted fertile ground.' As a result, Satan has had a field day using males to destroy God's precious creation, woman.
Just look at the so-called religion of Islam. The woman is oppressed and sorely afflicted. In Africa, the woman is chattel. The same with Asian nations. The male's warped, twisted mindset with regard to women keeps women and those nations steeped in darkness, chaos, destruction and death. This is the state of mind Adam unleashed for Satan to abuse when he did not repent of his evil participation in the fall and instead, 'blamed God and the woman' (Gen. 3:12).
Yet, we saw God's remedy towards Adam's action of standing there allowing the woman to be deceived (Gen. 3:1-8). God stepped in as husband to the woman and stood the ground that Adam should have stood by immediately expelling the serpent. At any rate, the serpent thought God's wrath would be upon the woman. However, instead, God stood up for the woman and informed the serpent that He too, would use the same trusting nature of the woman to bring down Satan's evil that he had just pulled off. In other words, God is proclaiming, "He still loves and cherishes the magnificent 'woman' He created."
However, let me say this, God did warn the woman of one of the consequences of her disobedience, he stated with regard to her husband Adam, 'your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall have rule over you' (Gen. 3:16). Male preachers have erroneously taught that that means God was giving the man 'rule over the woman.' However, reality is, God was warning the woman that the once 'equality' relationship she had with her husband in the garden was now 'destroyed'. The man would take 'illegal' rule over the woman. She would think or desire to be like it once was, but it was no more.
At any rate, God would use a woman to bring forth the redeemer to get back what Adam had just given away (Gen. 3:15). God would also 'put enmity' between Satan and the woman. Meaning, though Satan now had fertile ground to use the man's un-repentant state, the righteous women throughout the ages would be the key vessels used by the Most High to destroy the works of the devil.
Hence, we are told of mighty women used by God. There was Miriam the prophetess and leader of Israel right along with her brother Aaron and Moses. (Ex. 15:20; Mic. 6:4; etc.). Ruth and Naomi would come forth obediently setting the stage for the birth of King David who would be a type of Christ (Ruth 4:13-22). Esther would come forth and be the vessel God would use to stop a satanic genocide (Est.). Rahab a gentile African woman would be used to destroy idolatrous Canaanite factions (Josh. 2). Etc.
On and on the list would go of women being used mightily by God. As well, prophecy says in the last days, 'God would pour out His spirit on our sons and DAUGHTERS' (Joel 2:28-29). God said, the 'daughters' i.e. females i.e women would prophesy.' Well how can women prophesy i.e speak the profound truths of God if they are not allowed to 'speak or preach' in the church? Besides, in the New Testament this prophecy was fulfilled as Scripture makes mention of the 4 DAUGHTERS of Phillip 'prophesying' (Acts 21:9; 2:17). Again, the 'letter' i.e. 'written word' killeth but the Spirit through it 'actions' towards women gives life and truth with regard to God's will for women.
As so, on Pentacost, the Holy Spirit sure didn't believe women couldn't preach as the Holy Spirit came upon men and WOMEN and both were heard to be speaking the wisdom of God (Acts 2:17).
Not only that, prior to pentacost it was 'women' who were the first to know of, and speak the might and praises of God with regard to the Messiah's entrance on planet earth. Whereas, disobedient man was unaware of what was going on with regard to prophecy. Just read Luke's account of Elizabeth and Mary whose Hebrew name is Miriam. (Luke 1:39-56;) The fact is, the man Zachariah was stricken deaf and dumb for his 'unbelief' but not so, with the women. They with a loud voice, proclaimed, preached, annouced, and praised God before all of heaven for the miracle messiah that was now on Earth residing in the womb of young Mary/Miriam (Lk. 1:18-25).
Also, know this, it was women alone, who were the FIRST to know of the resurrected Christ (Matt. 28:1-11). It was none other than angels of the Most High, and Jesus himself, who commanded 'WOMEN' in the form of Mary Magdalene and the other 'women' to PREACH the first resurrection message (Mk. 16:1-8). The fact is, the might and righteousness of women gave them the strength to go to the tomb with intent to fulfill the Hebrew burial laws of God come what may, soldiers or no soldiers.
Whereas, the men were all cowardly hidden away. However, the women's fearless strength caused them to be the FIRST to PREACH of the resurrection. How then can preacher's erroneously preach that 'women must be silent, can't speak or preach?' The fact is, Paul must, have meant something else as he himself, often commended women preachers.
There was priscilla who was called an apostle right along with her husband (Acts 18:2, 18.26; Rom. 16:3). Phoebe was called a 'servant' but the Greek word for 'servant' was 'minister or preacher' (Rom. 1:16). Oh, and what happened to the many women on Pentacost who were baptized in the Holy Spirit? (Acts 2:17). Do you think they just kept silent after that day? No! It would have been a sin if they had. Instead, they too, went forth 'preaching and teaching.' We know that there were active spiritual groups run by women as Paul came upon the woman Lydia (Acts 16:14). Of a surety, she and the women with her were baptized in the Holy Spirit (Acts. 16:14-15).
In all these matters, please know of a certainty, that the 'letter' of the word taught erroneously has been a violation of God's will with regard to women. Women, like men, were ordained by Jesus/Yahshua Himself, to "go into all the world and PREACH' the gospel' (Mk. 16:15-18).
Bottom line, as all are baptized in the Holy Spirit, then 'all,' meaning both men and 'women,' should preach the word of God to a lost and dying world. We should not forsake the assemblying of ourselves together. We must come together as righteous men and WOMEN to preach, teach, prophesy within the church (Heb. 10:25).. It is the will of God. As such,, who can withstand it and prevail?!
In the meantime, God's wisdom has taught me many things with regard to His will for women. The first thing taught is that God's will was always for 'men and women' to speak and Glorify His name everywhere, including in the church. Let us remember the original word from God concerning 'Adam/man' and 'Adam/woman' (Note:Scripture tells us that God originally referred to the man and woman as 'Adam' (Gen. 5:2) Adam then called the 'woman,' 'woman' and God honored that (Gen. 2:23-24). It was only after the fall that the 'woman' was named 'Eve' (Gen. 3:20). Talk about the '3 faces of Eve,' eh?
At any rate, the original will of God was 'equality' for man and woman. Scripture tells us that 'God put His Spirit in both WOMEN and men' (Mal. 2:15). As so, if the spirit of the Living God abides in women just as it does in men then it is impossible that God would mean, 'women can't speak or preach in church' for how else can one express the power, might, glory of God but by speaking it?
Where else can we glorify God amongst our own but in the church? Besides, Scripture says, 'the body is the temple of the Lord' and therefore we must glorify God in our 'Temple/body.' How much more shall we glorify God amidst a united temple of believers who dwell in church buildings? (1 Cor. 3:16). It is wrong to teach otherwise. The original command was 'God blessed, 'THEM', not just HIM but HER as well and stated, 'have dominion (subdue with kindness) the Earth and all that is therein" (Gen. 1:26-28). That's 'dominion' over the Earth and NOT each other.
Now, that said, the function of men and women is quite different. Masculinity does act as a figure head, that Femininity just naturally yields to within a marriage setting. I cannot tell you how many women want to feel protected with a strong, intelligent, righteous man. Unfortunately, with men so screwed up today, they are going to stay in 'want.'
At any rate, this function is proper in a marriage setting alone. Amidst that setting, the woman enjoys playing the nurturer, co-counselor in all 'decision' making aspects for Scripture says, 'it was not good for man to be alone' (Gen. 2:18). What that means is, not only physically alone, but as well alone, in making decisions. Hence, God would emphasize the importance of the woman's role when God brought His creation 'woman' to man. He more or less told Adam, 'now listen, you've been enjoying naming animals and the such, but now, this wonderful creation 'woman' is not for you to 'take authority over' in the sense that you have had the joy of naming animals I brought to you. She is now co-namer of all things with you. She is your equal and you must listen and heed her wisdom as that which is as great and important to your survival than your own thinking. In fact, she is your survival, your 'helper!' You cannot mentally, spiritually, etc, function right without her wise input!' (Gen. 2:24).
God seemed to instinctively know that He would have to strongly get that point across to the man as if he didn't, trouble would surely, erupt. Through the subsequent actions with regard to the 'fall', we see God was right to emphasize the importance of equality. That is, the first thing Adam did after the fall was 'blame' 'God and the woman.' He stated, 'it was that WOMAN that YOU gave me who is responsible for this' (Gen. 3:12).
That un-repentant mindset of Adam was passed down to men and to this day, men 'blame and fault' women for the wrongs of the world. Women in Scripture have always been portrayed from a negative perspective. In fact, women have been lied upon and blasphemed (Rev. 13:6).
For instance, Mary Magdalene has always been portrayed as a 'prostitute' when research now tells us that she was not. The same thing with 'Rahab'. Research now finds out that her alleged 'prostitution' was in reality, idol worship. Yeah sure, that Philistine woman, Delilah seduced Samson but he was just as guilty for going after that worldly type of woman in the first place. However, preachers curse her more than Samson's stupid, downright ridiculously flaunted 'worldly' behavior amidst being spirit-filled. (Jud. 13-16).
At any rate, back to the 'fall' and the different mentality that was about the man versus the woman. The woman fessed up to her wrongs. She admitted that she willfully listened to the deceiving serpent (Gen. 3:13). In so doing, she left no un-repentant ground for Satan to use. This is why righteous women throughout Scripture have always been the first to know of, and proclaim the might of God. Just look at the case of Samson's mother. The angel came to her, and she preached the truth to her husband, who doubted and was later visited by the angel (Judg. 13:2-25).
God's spirit was in Deborah and she was 'Judge' of all Israel (Judgs. 4). This truth alone, proves that God could not have meant that 'women shouldn't preach' as this woman not only preached, but led the whole nation.
Remember, Scripture says, 'God is the same today, yesterday and forever' (Heb. 13:8). Meaning, He did not mean for only these women of Old Testament Biblical history to lead and preach. Just look at the greatest miracle in American history, the woman Harriet Tubman. She bore witness that God raised 'HER' up. 19 times she went into the south and freed groups of God's enslaved people and 19 times, she successfully came out with men, women and children. No man, equalled what this valiant woman of God did. See then, God through his 'actions' is teaching us that 'He uses whom He will and His will is for women to preach, teach, prophesy and do exploits.' (Dn. 11:32).
Also, because of the King Barack's 'doubt and fear' during the reign of Deborah, the spirit of the Lord used the might and strength of the woman Jael to shame the 'man's' weakness and fear. Yes, Jael is the 'woman' song and praised throughout the ages for bringing down the enemy King Sisera (4:17-24). Can we hear a "Michele's in the white house representing?" :-)
Again, God's spirit is in both men and WOMEN and niether were meant to be constrained via demented males purposely misinterpreting the role of women. Male's misinterpretation stifled and destroyed many a good woman. Also, let us remember that God's testimony is, 'I hate divorce (Mal. 2:15). Yet, out of love and concern for women God allowed divorce in order to stop men from destroying women (Mal. 2:15).
In other words, 'divorce' was a gifted weapon from God to women. Fallen male's treatment of women can destroy the woman's role and function and so wreak havoc on planet earth. This happened in the past and it is happening today. In fact, it is prophesied that the anti-Christ will have no 'desire for women' (Dn. 11:37).
It is the spirit of Satan working through the hardhearted, un-repented mindset of fallen males. That 'Adam-ic' 'blame God and women' mentality is seen in males mistreatment of women worldwide. See, when Adam did not take responsibility for what he did, that part of his mindset became 'corrupted fertile ground.' As a result, Satan has had a field day using males to destroy God's precious creation, woman.
Just look at the so-called religion of Islam. The woman is oppressed and sorely afflicted. In Africa, the woman is chattel. The same with Asian nations. The male's warped, twisted mindset with regard to women keeps women and those nations steeped in darkness, chaos, destruction and death. This is the state of mind Adam unleashed for Satan to abuse when he did not repent of his evil participation in the fall and instead, 'blamed God and the woman' (Gen. 3:12).
Yet, we saw God's remedy towards Adam's action of standing there allowing the woman to be deceived (Gen. 3:1-8). God stepped in as husband to the woman and stood the ground that Adam should have stood by immediately expelling the serpent. At any rate, the serpent thought God's wrath would be upon the woman. However, instead, God stood up for the woman and informed the serpent that He too, would use the same trusting nature of the woman to bring down Satan's evil that he had just pulled off. In other words, God is proclaiming, "He still loves and cherishes the magnificent 'woman' He created."
However, let me say this, God did warn the woman of one of the consequences of her disobedience, he stated with regard to her husband Adam, 'your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall have rule over you' (Gen. 3:16). Male preachers have erroneously taught that that means God was giving the man 'rule over the woman.' However, reality is, God was warning the woman that the once 'equality' relationship she had with her husband in the garden was now 'destroyed'. The man would take 'illegal' rule over the woman. She would think or desire to be like it once was, but it was no more.
At any rate, God would use a woman to bring forth the redeemer to get back what Adam had just given away (Gen. 3:15). God would also 'put enmity' between Satan and the woman. Meaning, though Satan now had fertile ground to use the man's un-repentant state, the righteous women throughout the ages would be the key vessels used by the Most High to destroy the works of the devil.
Hence, we are told of mighty women used by God. There was Miriam the prophetess and leader of Israel right along with her brother Aaron and Moses. (Ex. 15:20; Mic. 6:4; etc.). Ruth and Naomi would come forth obediently setting the stage for the birth of King David who would be a type of Christ (Ruth 4:13-22). Esther would come forth and be the vessel God would use to stop a satanic genocide (Est.). Rahab a gentile African woman would be used to destroy idolatrous Canaanite factions (Josh. 2). Etc.
On and on the list would go of women being used mightily by God. As well, prophecy says in the last days, 'God would pour out His spirit on our sons and DAUGHTERS' (Joel 2:28-29). God said, the 'daughters' i.e. females i.e women would prophesy.' Well how can women prophesy i.e speak the profound truths of God if they are not allowed to 'speak or preach' in the church? Besides, in the New Testament this prophecy was fulfilled as Scripture makes mention of the 4 DAUGHTERS of Phillip 'prophesying' (Acts 21:9; 2:17). Again, the 'letter' i.e. 'written word' killeth but the Spirit through it 'actions' towards women gives life and truth with regard to God's will for women.
As so, on Pentacost, the Holy Spirit sure didn't believe women couldn't preach as the Holy Spirit came upon men and WOMEN and both were heard to be speaking the wisdom of God (Acts 2:17).
Not only that, prior to pentacost it was 'women' who were the first to know of, and speak the might and praises of God with regard to the Messiah's entrance on planet earth. Whereas, disobedient man was unaware of what was going on with regard to prophecy. Just read Luke's account of Elizabeth and Mary whose Hebrew name is Miriam. (Luke 1:39-56;) The fact is, the man Zachariah was stricken deaf and dumb for his 'unbelief' but not so, with the women. They with a loud voice, proclaimed, preached, annouced, and praised God before all of heaven for the miracle messiah that was now on Earth residing in the womb of young Mary/Miriam (Lk. 1:18-25).
Also, know this, it was women alone, who were the FIRST to know of the resurrected Christ (Matt. 28:1-11). It was none other than angels of the Most High, and Jesus himself, who commanded 'WOMEN' in the form of Mary Magdalene and the other 'women' to PREACH the first resurrection message (Mk. 16:1-8). The fact is, the might and righteousness of women gave them the strength to go to the tomb with intent to fulfill the Hebrew burial laws of God come what may, soldiers or no soldiers.
Whereas, the men were all cowardly hidden away. However, the women's fearless strength caused them to be the FIRST to PREACH of the resurrection. How then can preacher's erroneously preach that 'women must be silent, can't speak or preach?' The fact is, Paul must, have meant something else as he himself, often commended women preachers.
There was priscilla who was called an apostle right along with her husband (Acts 18:2, 18.26; Rom. 16:3). Phoebe was called a 'servant' but the Greek word for 'servant' was 'minister or preacher' (Rom. 1:16). Oh, and what happened to the many women on Pentacost who were baptized in the Holy Spirit? (Acts 2:17). Do you think they just kept silent after that day? No! It would have been a sin if they had. Instead, they too, went forth 'preaching and teaching.' We know that there were active spiritual groups run by women as Paul came upon the woman Lydia (Acts 16:14). Of a surety, she and the women with her were baptized in the Holy Spirit (Acts. 16:14-15).
In all these matters, please know of a certainty, that the 'letter' of the word taught erroneously has been a violation of God's will with regard to women. Women, like men, were ordained by Jesus/Yahshua Himself, to "go into all the world and PREACH' the gospel' (Mk. 16:15-18).
Bottom line, as all are baptized in the Holy Spirit, then 'all,' meaning both men and 'women,' should preach the word of God to a lost and dying world. We should not forsake the assemblying of ourselves together. We must come together as righteous men and WOMEN to preach, teach, prophesy within the church (Heb. 10:25).. It is the will of God. As such,, who can withstand it and prevail?!
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Permalink Reply by Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene on
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Actually, you neglected to account for Adam's punishment. You spoke of her as being rebellious and a no good woman, but she was "deceived". Adam got the harder rebuke though. Care to answer why he did?
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Permalink Reply by Ms. Elaine Johnson on
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Hi Lisa, I have never heard this aspect of Scripture that you are speaking upon. It's interesting though. See, the part the Holy Spirit enlightened me upon and remember the depths of spiritual meaning are manifold deep on many levels, but It is my understanding that the woman knew the spiritual laws of God as 'God walked with them in the cool of the day and surely taught them.'
Also Paul says, the man was not deceived but the woman' I took it that she knew and was deceived. However, you are making an interesting point, you are saying, 'she didn't know that exact law and/or Adam didn't emphasize it and therefore the woman was deceived?' Or, is that what you are saying?
Hmmm...food for thought in that Scripture says, 'the woman was deceived but she did not 'deceive' Adam rather, straight up told him and he willfully ate anyway?" -
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True, the man was not deceived, he just plain REBELLED. She was deceived because she conversed with the serpent, matching wit for wit, and fell short. If you debate a person, unless you hold strong to your position, you will conform to his/her idea, be it right or wrong. That is what happened to Eve. Adam did not such challenge to the serpent. He just went along with her like a lamb to the slaughter, not even challenging it with the Word of GOD. She got it wrong, but AT LEAST she put up a fight!
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No! Why Min. West, I would have guessed you were in President Obama's fan club. That's sarcasm ofcourse. :-)
Which reminds me, there is a Scripture that says, 'servants obey your master.' As so, do you think it was wrong for the slaves of yesteryear to have as you undoubtedly see it, 'violate God's law' by running away and escaping slavery? Do tell? -
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Permalink Reply by Dawn Davidson on
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Brother West,
I am quoting scripture verbatim to you, you are not addressing the details of that scripture just choosing to instead talk around it and when confronted with real discrepancies as now taught regarding the garden you simply dismiss it.
I would never call you outside of your name, not "Man" or anything else, that is not the totality of who you are - that speaks only to your gender. If one required identification on you simply describing yourself as "Man" would tell them nothing. It gives you nothing. But which "man", what "man", be specific as gender alone does not speak to identification. If you were trying to locate a lost child you wouldn't simply describe her as "girl." You would instead rightly give a full description including the correct name by which she is called. For our purposes in the garden it was God who called the female "Eve" absolutely never in name did he identify her as "Woman." And I thought He was supposed to be our example, not Adam.
And God did not call out to the female in Genesis 3:9 because it was not God's intent to further disrespect and even establish subjugation of the female, that was Adam's. Adam alone was under assignment in the garden to rightly name the things of the garden and God had respect for the assignments as He distributed them. It was Adam's job to rightly name God's first daughter, the female, and yet he did not do so correctly and without malice. This man even rejected God's will and changed his own name. We know God called the man "Adam" in the garden, so where did this Adam get the idea to call himself "Man" instead? To call the female "Eve" instead?
Much of our differences have to do with first knowing how to rightly discern this word. I have noticed that men who support the traditional do so by first establishing their truth through the eyes of Adam and yet this is what will make you into being an Adam and not one exalting the truth of God alone.
Ever wonder why there is so much confusion surrounding the name of Adam? That "Adam" means "man" and that even then "man" has two separate meanings? By comparison the female had one name in the garden and the hebrew for "woman" always means the same thing. The problem began when Adam opened the door to this confusion in playing his name game.
God did not call the female by name in Genesis 3:9 simply because according to His will and design, she did not properly as of yet have one as given by Adam. It was not His desire to disrespect her. Genesis 3:20 proves His will for her name as Eve, just as Genesis 3:9 proves his will for the man, his name was Adam. You keep removing God from the equation when you seek to discern this word, you can't do that and get the right answers. If you just started based upon that knowledge alone it would bring you BIG change.
And you either are willing to trust God or you are not. If the word (and it soundly does) proves the "man" not to be rightly exalted since time beginning, then you as a man have to, just as we as females have always had to do, trust God to bring you your increase, your deliverance. Remember, none of this is about the exaltation of either gender over the other. That is simply not biblical in any way. Further, it was never my intent to offend you and I greatly apologize if offense has been taken but this is a big word impacting the lives of hundreds of thousands of scores of women both now dead and alive. Getting it right matters. I only gave you examples, nothing as targeted against you personally. But that it is the way you were made to feel, serves as yet another example of how as females many of us are made to feel everyday in Christ, no matter what we do, no matter where we turn. You get a thick skin to be sure, but that such is the case is never right before God. And as we know, this is not about "feelings" in and of themselves but the accurate word of God.
You would say in all of this that I am acting un-Godly, yet it is that same God who has been keeping me, without a job comfortably writing at home about matters of the garden while raising two children in a wrecked economy. And although my husband works it is not enough, and we are on no assistance, this is God. Hallelujah, and Glory to His Name! I know just who I am too. I am not "Woman" I am Dawn. -
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Permalink Reply by Adrian Lamar West Sr. on
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You say alot through your so-called foreknowlege/ yet you have proven nothing by the Word/ chopping verses is not and has not proven anything/ false teachers do that.
You cannot hurt my feelings by lies/ like the one about what a great woman the lesbianic prophetess and the sissy Bishop/ you look and sound as if you know alot yet you have clearly demonstrated why women were not put here to be the Head of Man/ the examples you have shown only show that Yah will and can use them in different circumstances/ yet he does not give them the position of being head anywhere.....
Sickening how so many men are put down for being this or that/but the womAN HAS AN EXCUSE/ I HAVE A YOUNG MAN IN COURT NOW/THAT SAYS MR. WEST MY MAMA LIGHTS GOT CUT OFF THAT IS WHY I AM SELLING DRUGS/IS HE RIGHT IN HIS MIND/YES/RIGHT IN MY MIND/NO/ YET BY ONCE BEING A YOUNG MAN I DO UNDERSTAND CAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN MY MAMA LIGHS GOT CUT OFF/ NO CHURCH/NO MOTHERS OF THE LIVING/ NO SORORITY SISTERS/ ETC.... JUST ME AND GOD/ AND SURELY YOU DO SEE WHERE I AM GOING BECAUSE TO EXALT ONE SINNER ABOVE THE OTHER IS JUST OUTRIGHT FOOLISHNESS/ GET TO THE POINT OF SELF-EXAMINATION/YOUR OWN ACCOUNTABILITY/ AND THEN YOU CAN STOP REPEATING THE SAME SIN OVER AND OVER/GRACE AND MERCY ARE HERE FOR ALL/
YET SALVATION IS HERE FOR ALL/THE TRUE PART THAT YOU AND MANY MISS FROM THE GARDEN TRAGEDY/YOU SEE THE SERPENT WAS CURSED TO THE GROUND/TO LIVE ON HIS BELLY/AND TYO EAT THE DUST/
yOU STILL THERE SCHOLAR?????
tHE GROUND WAS CURSED FOR ADAM'S SAKE................DO YOU GET IT YET SCHOLAR GIRL?????
THE WOMAN'S SORROW WOULD BEGREATLY MULTIPLIED/AND HER CONCEPTION/ YOU STILL THERE??????????????
IN SORROW WOULD SHE BRING FORTH CHILDREN;AND HER DESIRE WOULD BE FOR HER HUSBAND.......YOU STILL THERE SCHOLAR?????????
DO YOU SEE WHERE THE WORD SAYS IN GENESIS CHPT.3 VERSE 20
AND ADAM CALLED HIS WIFE'S NAME EVE; BECAUSE SHE WAS THE MOTHER OF ALL LIVING.....STILL THERE SCHOLAR??????????
So now we see plainly that yoiu are in error/ Girl it took me a while too/ but this as plain as I can put it too you.../Nowhere do you see where God called her anything but Woman/Wife..........Scholar are you still there????????
now that is TRUTH from scripture.................you may not be a woman/but Dawn is still mis-lead...................... -
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I will seek to make this as easy for you as I can make it. If God was a garden Adam's God, then the life choices and actions made and taken by Adam ought to rightly line up with what was the true will of God.
Why you think that God had no plan for the name and identity of the female is incomprehensible to me except to say, that to have this belief is to also believe yourself, as you clearly believe Adam was, a god. I am reading a number of things that are inerrant to Scripture, too many to even address, but please understand, God created both the male and female for himself first, not the man. He is just as much my God as he is yours. And as my God he did not set you over me as a man in a position of god in my life. Adam was never given a license in the garden to "free-style" in naming or in doing any one thing. EVERYTHING he did he was to do in right alignment with the will of God ONLY. Is this not the way we seek to live our lives today as Christians? Where are you on this, why is this concept, this practice so mightily difficult for you to grasp. You should be well practiced in submitting to the will of the Father, Adam was no different, he had to rightly submit himself before God as well. To say that it did not matter what Adam called himself or what he called the female, is to then also marginalize the magnitude of God himself, because he did speak the name of "Adam" over the man and he did compel a now punished Adam to call the female "Eve." Are we to believe that His actions were of no avail, to no profit, to accomplish no will, just something he elected to arbitrary do, because why, he is suddenly now the god of confusion? By His will allowing the establishment of two names for each individual in the garden?
You are lost and this is far worse than I thought. Please do not be surprised if I soon opt out of any further conversations with you in this. With all due respect, your mind is not right. And let me get this straight, I am now not only a "lesbian" but not a "woman" either. Rich. Really rich.
Peace and love. -
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Before you go screaming "scripture please", you must do an important thing: Define what you mean by "preach" and then give the LITERAL definition of "preaching". I assure you, you yourself are refering to a false definition when you say that a woman cannot preach.
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Dawn you say alot but yet you do not respond too the truth......No where did I say yhat Yah put anyone over you as YAH/ I believe that you and the feminist Elaine are mis-lead through your own feelings/oh not her she doesn't even have a spouse.........
no confusion on my part....
You ask so many questions but answer/
Try this verse by verse from the scriptures found in GENESIS prove your point other wise
as you say don't reply.
If my mind isn't right please help me to be delivered LOL.......
You said that you know who you are not woman but Dawn/ not my words but yours earlier/I just stated that it shows confusion...... -
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And where do you see that i believed or called Adam a god????????????
stop throwing accusations at me and use the scripture/ i clearly stated the truth to you concerning the Garden tragedy/broke it down for you scholar/yet you did not reply to the post.............
not one of your christian ccronies/but truly am being rooted in the truth daily/
You know i started to deny myself daily/maybe you should start and be transformed...
humble yourselves women and see where humility takes you..........
SHALOM................... -
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You miss one key thing: GOD's command of the Husband having rule over the wife, and the man taking rule over the woman was apart of the CURSE!! The CURSE was LIFTED BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS!
IN Genesis 1, we CLEARLY see that GOD gave mane and woman dominion over everything else EXCEPT each other. Only when they fell into sin, was one human given dominion over another. -
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TRUE>>>>>
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