Women Bishop

[Yolanda Burton]

Can someone please show me in the Bible where this is permitted and explain the text?
Truly, I have been inspired by all of the comments and insight that have come from many of you!! I wanted to open a discussion that would stir the hearts and minds of many and I did. I can see that it is man vs woman and should not be. My question still remains,,,about Women Bishops!!!! The Bible does not co-sign this. I really believe we all are hung on titles. Whatever you do,,,do it all in the name of Jesus. I wanted to make some points and say some things, so that it would stir your knowledge up and cause you to proclaim what you believe. I can say,,,I have walked into many churches,,,and without sayiing a word or opening my mouth,,,,how can these men detect, discern, or sense that God has a call on my life. AND,,,WHAT, call is that? Glory be to God,,,you see many of us should make sure that our scripture references that we are using to back up your point,,,is not contextual customed to fit in your box of beliefs. My statement to this was about,,,women Bishops,,,and I for one don't agree with the TITLE,,,but I believe that a woman can teach the Gospel,,,and if the HOOP is naturally in her when she delievers,,,then hoop. Whether you want to call it style,,,whatever,,,,we all have our style. So,,if I come to some of your churches,,,I can get turned off by even the way some you hoop or TEACH. Everyone is voicing their beliefs. This is a very sensitive topic,,,and women we must make sure we are wise virtuous women,,,one thing is for sure,,,we are MASTERs at multitasking. If God,,,called you to Sunday School, Evangelist,Prophet, then you must remain a help at home. Men,,,i believe if your wife works, has to take care of kids,,,and does servant service to her local Ministry,,,it just WONT kill you to assist her at home. This is one statement that needs constant understanding and research. Our prayer should be that the LORD will enlighten and reveal to us his truth,,,NOT YOUR OPINION or CONVINCING. You see,,he that wins a soul is wise. We must make sure we ALL speak wisely. God Bless You All And thanks for the replies and the most of all THE WORD!!

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

ALL that we were commanded by GOD was in Torah? ALL, or "some"? You neglect the rest of the OT by using such words, bro.

[James Pierce]

Trevor,

The Prophets & The writings were not considered Torah.

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

My point exactly! You speak of the Torah all day long and neglect the Prophets and Writings.

[James Pierce]

Trevor,

I do not neglect them. You know better than that.

[Debbi Smith]

Ok Thanks. I think this gives me somewhat clarity. In prior years working, my employer was Jewish of which they used the Torah. However, he did not believe that Jesus was the Messiah. I find it interesting that (1) the Torah actually comes from the bible (2) the Jews believe in some of the bible, but not all and do not believe that Jesus was the Messiah (3) the Israelites too believe in some of the bible, but not all, but believe Jesus was the Messiah. What is the problem with the bible itself since it was the basis and the Torah was taken from it?

[James Pierce]

Debbi,

It's not the word of Yahweh, rather, it is man's own lustful desires to what he wants to believe and exclude.

[N'ZI Amani Germain]

Brother Moreh,

You said :

“I'm not sure what you mean that the "Torah was taken from it" but I will say that the NT is just a somewhat "commentary of the OT..
In other words...As a christian I was taught about dispensation, a "New Testament" and the Torah was abolished...NONE ARE TRUE....”

Brother Moreh, please stop preaching the lie!

The New Testament is not just a somewhat COMMENTARY of the OT. No!

THE PROPHECIES OF THE OLD TESTAMENT HAVE BEEN FULFILLED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT.

THERE ARE TWO DISPENSATIONS: THE OLD TESTAMENT (TORAH) AND THE NEW TESTAMENT.

JESUS DID NOT ABOLISH THE LAW (TORAH)

BUT JESUS CHRIST HAS FULIFILLED NOT ONLY THE RITUALISTIC AND SACRIFICIAL LAWS, BUT ALSO ALL THE LAW OF MOSES AS A UNIT (THE TORAH).

Brother, the Bible says that Jesus Christ came not to abolish but to fulfil Old Testament law (Matthew 5:17).

The fulfilment of the Law by Jesus Christ, what does it mean?

I also know that the Old Testament Law is a unit (James 2:10). Either all of it applies, or none of it applies:

“For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11For he who said, "Do not commit adultery,"also said, "Do not murder."If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker. Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment!

James 2:10-13

Let us notice that Brother James was not speaking of the sacrificial and ritualistic law only here, but he was speaking about the whole Law, the Torah.

Indeed, “to commit adultery” or to “murder”, can not be called sacrificial and ritualistic laws.

Now, my second question is as follows:

If Christ fulfilled some of that law, such as the sacrificial system, didn’t He fulfilled all of it?

Indeed, Jesus Christ said:

"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart”.

Matthew 5:27-28

Bother, the obsolete Law, namely the Torah says: “Do not commit adultery”

But the new Law of Jesus that Christians should follow is: “But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart”

Here, don’t you see Jesus fulfilling the Law concerning the adultery (Exodus 20: 14)?

Isn’t the new Law of Jesus Christ better than the old one?

Jesus Christ did not come to abolish but to fulfil or to perfect the Old Testament law as a UNIT.

Do you agree with me?

It is not about the sacrificial and ritualistic laws only, but it is about all the law of Moses, the Torah.

If the Bible is your absolute, then say AMEN to that!

Let us see an other example:

“Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?" 4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'[a] 5and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'[b]? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate." 7"Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?" 8Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."

Matthew 19:3-9

Bother, the obsolete Law, namely the Torah says:

“…a man can give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away…”

But the new Law of Jesus that Christians should follow is:

“…a man should not divorce his wife for any and every reason for anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery”

Here, don’t you see Jesus fulfilling the Law concerning the marriage?

Isn’t the new Law of Jesus Christ better than the old one?

Jesus Christ did not come to abolish but to fulfil or to perfect the Old Testament law as a UNIT.

Do you agree with me?

It is not about the sacrificial and ritualistic laws only, but it is about all the law of Moses, the Torah.

If the Bible is your absolute, then say AMEN to that!

In the same way, Jesus Christ has perfected the Law on the love of God (Exodus 20:2-7, Matthew 22:36-37),

He has also perfected the Law on the love of our neighbour (Exodus 20: 12-17; Matthew 22:39, Matthew 5:21-26, Matthew 5:43-48, John 8: 1-11)

So, to say that the Old Testament Law applies to Christians today is incorrect.

The Old Testament Law is a unit (James 2:10). Either all of it applies, or none of it applies. If Christ fulfilled some it, such as the sacrificial system, He fulfilled all of it.

You must also know this:

« For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.”

John 1:17

The purpose of the Old Testament Law is to point people to their need for Jesus Christ as Savior (Romans 7:7-9; Galatians 3:24). The Old Testament Law was never intended by God to be the universal law for all people for all of time. We are to love God and love our neighbors. If we obey those two commands faithfully, we will be upholding all that God requires of us.

Jesus Christ came not to abolish but to fulfil all the Law of Moses, NAMELY THE TORAH.

Wasn’t the new law of Christ better than the former law?

“Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ”.

Galatians 6:2

This is the truth !


Bro. Germain

[N'ZI Amani Germain]

Brother Moreh asked me a small question:

WHAT IS SIN?

Brother, according to the law(Torah) keepers, SIN is obviously the breaking of the Torah.

However, for those who live under grace, SIN is the breaking of the law of Christ(Galatians 6:2)

Indeed, when brother John said that: “Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness (1 John 3:4)”, he did not refer to the customs taught by Moses (Acts 15: 1-21).

Consequently, the non-observance of the Sabbath by a gentile believer could not constitute the breaking of the law about which John spoke.

John referred to the law of the faith, to the truth of the faith:

“Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith ».

Romans 3:27

“If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.”

1 Timothy 4:6

This law can never be abolished, since the Word of God can not be abolished.

But what is the faith like?

« Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.”

Romans 10:17

Any thing will pass but the word of God will not pass. Ritual laws prescribed by Moses are no longer in force for the gentile believers. They are abolished for those who live under the grace. But the law of the faith which takes its source in the Word of Christ will never be abolished.

“Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints.”

Jude 1:3

Gentile believers live under the GRACE.

Hebrew Israelites keep the Sabbath because they still live under the LAW.

There are two different dispensations. Paul didn’t destroy THE LAW OF GOD though.

But he said that “no one will be declared righteous in His sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin”.

He said that we “ all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus”

He said that “a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.”

This doesn’t mean that we nullify the LAW OF GOD by this faith.

Please listen carefully to Paul:

“Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin”.

Righteousness Through Faith

But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished - he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. »

Romans 3:19-31

Hebrew Israelites still live UNDER THE LAW and do observe the Sabbath (whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law).

But the gentiles are free in Jesus-Christ, they live BY GRACE and they are justified BY FAITH.

Through the Grace God justifies freely the sinner who repents (Romans 2:24-25).

Israelites could not be justified by the Law of Moses. Today, gentile believers can not also be justified by the Law of Moses. This is the reason why Jesus Christ has come.

Jesus Christ came not to abolish but to fulfil or to perfect the Old Testament law as a UNIT (Matthew 5:17).

Verily, today, Yahweh’s perfect law is LOVE:

“And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity”.

Colossians 3: 14

In place of the Old Testament law, gentile believers are under the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2), which is to, “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind … and to love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 22:37-39).

If we obey those two commands, we will be fulfilling all that Christ requires of us, “All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments” (Matthew 22:40). Now, this does not mean the Old Testament Law is irrelevant today. Many of the commands in the Old Testament Law fall into the categories of “loving God” and “loving your neighbor.” The Old Testament Law can be a good “guidepost” for knowing how to love God and knowing what goes into loving your neighbor.

At the same time, to say that the Old Testament Law applies to Christians today is incorrect. The Old Testament Law is a unit (James 2:10). Either all of it applies, or none of it applies. If Christ fulfilled some it, such as the sacrificial system, He fulfilled all of it.

“This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome” (1 John 5:3). The Ten Commandments were essentially a summary of the entire Old Testament Law. Nine of the Ten Commandments are clearly repeated in the New Testament (all except the command to observe the Sabbath day). Obviously, if we are loving God we will not be worshipping false gods or bowing down before idols. If we are loving our neighbors, we will not be murdering them, lying to them, committing adultery against them, or coveting what belongs to them.

Blessings,

Bro. Germain

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

Are you saying that JESUS/YESHUA's commandments hold no weight, and carry no consequence!??!

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

For starters, "love one another as I have loved you". GOD only said "Love thy neighbor as you love yourself" in the Torah. The question stands: what if you don't love yourself in the first place? What if you don't know how to love yourself?

The rest of the Church's doctrine was not given by JESUS for HE was still under the Old Covenant Himself. Until His death burial and resurrection, nothing new could come in. There have been practices in N.T. that were not done in O.T.: no circumcision, the issue about the Sabbath, Gentiles Ministering, food issues, ect. Your mindset is still that of a Pharisee, and therefore it would be difficult to recognize such. After many talks, it is clear that those that are Torah Keepers aren't believers of the move of the HOLY SPIRIT, and HIM being active in words and power today, but rely more on the law of Moses.

[Debbi Smith]

You've got to go a liitle deeper for me because if I'm not mistaken weren't ALL scripture(S) inspired by God (Yaweh)? Wasn't it man that wrote from the heart of God who communicated to him what to write in the 1st place? I do understand there are several historic accounts, but didn't God inspire them to be written for a reason? I don't think I've read any lustful desires of man unless you are referring to the Songs of Solomon of which is poetic in nature. However, God is love and instituted the communion between man and woman starting with Adam and Eve of which is a very beautiful thing both physical and spiritual, in the platform of marriage. In other words, he inspired that too. Please explain what you mean by "its man's own lustful desires to what he wants to believe and exclude".

[James Pierce]

Debbie,

You mentioned,"What is the problem with the bible itself since it was the basis and the Torah was taken from it?"

I answered that very question. You were saying that there are Jews who believe Torah, but not Messiah, and there are Hebrew Israelites that bellieve both. Moses, Yeshua, and Paul said that the Hebrews are blinded people. Isaiah also said this as well. You are correct in saying that Yahweh inspired the men of old to pen his word. That is so true. I believe that as well.