Biblical Judaism vs Christianity

[James Pierce]

Anyone want to kick it off?

[A.W. Bowman]

The truth? There was no difference between the two camps until the fourth century, when the Gentile believers separated themselves from their Jewish brothers and sisters and cut themselves off from their religious (i.e., spiritual) roots.

Now, in these final hours we see scripture being fulfilled as the veil is being lifted from the eyes of the houses of Israel and Y'hudah, Gentile believers seeking out Hebrew believers because "we see that God is with you", and the movement to complete the uniting of "two men into one new man".

Today there is little that unite us with our Hebrew roots. The branches have exulted them selves above the roots to which they have been "grafted in". We have become arrogant over those whom God cut off from His family, so that we might be adopted into that family. Now, we think that in God's eyes we have replaced His entire earthly family, rather than just being allowed to become a legitimate member of that same family.

Today, there is little biblical Judaism in "western" Christianity - yet, without biblical Judaism there would be no Christianity.

[James Pierce]

A.W,

Indeed!

[Rest Of God Ministries]

That was a very blessed response, many do not understand this and you hit the hammer on the nail. God bless you Brother Bowman.

[James Pierce]

Anthony,

Modern Jews are waiting for a Messiah that will once and for all establish the Israelite Kingdom under Judah. Their Messiah will unite all 12 tribes back to Israel, and build the Temple. Modern Jews are blinded by the fact that Yeshua is THAT Messiah that will unite ALL 12 tribes back to Israel. Yeshua Himself said in Matt 15:24,"He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." The temple would have already been built before Messiah returns. In fact, its possible that the building of the temple will ignite the lost tribes to return. HaShem is full of wonders!.

It was the Jews that wanted Yeshua dead. Yeshua's own tribesman wanted Him dead. They were blinded by the same fact as the many Jews are. One day, Israel's seed WILL awaken, and will repent. At the last day,"Thus says the Lord of hosts: In those days ten men from the nations of every tongue shall take hold of the robe of a Jew, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you."

[A.W. Bowman]

Excellent questions, Brother Watson -

The separation of the Gentile church from the Jews was accomplished after the rise of Emperor Constantine in the 4th century as the titular head of the Christian church of Constantinople, later to be centered at Rome. Constantine hated the Jews for the same reasons most of the world has hated Jews from the days of Egypt until now. They are simply a good race to hate,.

Constantine was personally responsible for establishing the western church policy of total separation of the Gentile church from the Jewish believers – and between all Gentiles and Jews in general. In addition he, by edict and backed up with the power of Roman army, changed the Sabbath day from the 7th day to the 1st day of the week, changed the Jewish holy days and fixed them to the Roman calendar, e.g. Passover, and it was in his court that the term “Christ killers” was first applied to the Jews.

For more information on the history of the western church see The Ecclesiastical History of Eusebius Pamphilus, a Roman church historian and friend of Constantine.

It is also true that the majority of observant Jews are looking forward tot he first advent of their Messiah. Even so, the veil is being lifted from the eyes of the Jews and Messianic synagogues are being established all over the world - even in Jerusalem!

We also need to keep in mind that it was not the entire nation of Israel who cried out "Crucify Him". It was the majority of those who had assembled at the Roman judgment seat in order to effect the release of Barnabas, at the urging of the Sanhedrin.

Again, excellent questions. Thank you.

[A.W. Bowman]

A follow up comment:

"Constantine hated the Jews for the same reasons most of the world has hated Jews from the days of Egypt until now. They are simply a good race to hate,."

There is yet another reason why the world hates the Jews, and most likely the single most powerful reason. It was through the Jews that God His Law of righteous living. This law became known throughout the world and was held up before lawless men everywhere. Men do not like to be shown their evil and wicket ways, so since they cannot do anything about the author of the Torah, they can still take out their rage against the message bearers.

When Christians (Jew or Gentile) brings the good news to the land, it will be as Jesus said, "… they shall persecute you for my sake” Matthew 5:11. Question, how many "message bearers" do we have here?

[BruthaPharoah]

The first century Christians were Jews weren't they ? the 1stChristians Acts 11:26 were but ther a came a fallin away xamine theDefinition:1.Christian, a follower of Christ so in order to be Christian you hav to follow christ
if you examine what people do vs. what christ told them you do You find that these people are not followers of christ @ all but vain fables and the doctrine of man
Mark 7:9
And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition
John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1 John 2
3And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

the church (the people callin themselves christian are not keepin these commandments there for, they are not follower of christ and not christian at all so was the jew that follow christ teachings yes .

Secondly, aren't modern day Jews waiting for Jesus to return the first time?

depends on who your acknowledge as the real jew (rev2:9&3:9) but if you are refering to the ones in the land then they wait on the 1st coming as brutha Jame said it's in error but at same time prophetic yahshua being the stone that the builders reject stumbling block with made them stumble and go bac

Wasn't it the Jews who cried, "Crucify Him and give us Barabas? yes as it had to happen no justification on there part but man by all means need had to hav that lamb without blemish and the gentile's kill him as well they held the finale decesion


The Gentile believers did not separate themselves from the Jews just to have something to do. There was a reason. Based on what you know, what was that reason ? the way you posed this??? inplys you hav an answer please share

judaism is man madelie(REV2:9) theres no judaism as juda is a tribe of israel not a religoin as juda had no parts in the establishing the laws that govern the children of YHWH it is another error