New Covenant Debate.............

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

There has arisen an issue concerning the details of the New Covenant that our LORD and Savior YESHUA/JESUS has won for us by HIS blood and grace. Therefore, we are opening this discussion and starting it off for the edifying of the saints and the settling of the matter:

The subjects for this debate are along two lines:

-Jeremiah 31:31 and Hebrews 8: Do we still stand on the Torah?
-the Seal of the New Covenant: Is it still Sabbaths, Feasts, and Circumcision, or do we have a New Seal?

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

My Apostleship is a totally different subject, my friend. However, unlike you, if challenged in that manner, then I can answer to it!

My Apostleship stems first and foremost from the LORD JESUS Himself. I adhere to what the 12 and the rest of the Apostles of the LORD had taught just as well, for their voice is to be regarded. Many times in scripture GOD did not actually speak, but it is ALL counted as GOD's Word.

Now as for the Apostles teaching Torah, I placed scriptures already that refutes your statement. When I did place it up there, you rejected it as if I added it to the Bible 5 minutes ago. Then you spoke as if Apostle Paul was speaking against GOD's will.

If Apostle Paul is proven to teach that the old covenant is abolished, then would you adhere to it, or would you reject Paul as a heretic? Answer only that question, please.

[James Pierce]

Trevor,

Yashah says to not give what is holy to the dogs. I think I will have to take heed to that with you.

Shalom

[James Pierce]

Trevor,

Amos 6:3,"You who are approaching the evil day, who are drawing near and adopting false sabbaths."

When will you quit observing sunday as the sabbath, and return to the Biblical Sabbath Day that Yehwah has set apart for His people?

[Anna]

Trevor:
You said "As for the ***Edenic state*** look at Revelation 21, and compare it to Eden."

Trevor:
You must not have really read the Biblical account of Adam and Eve when they were in Eden if you choose to have an "Edenic state" without a Sabbath Sounds like you are just reading your church's Sunday School, quarterlies, and never have really read the Bible for yourself.

Any CHILD, how much more an 'Apostle" KNOWS that Adam and Eve were living in EDEN when the Sabbath was made/instituted and YHWH rested on it.

The two Institutions that PREEXISTED SIN, was the Sabbath and Marriage.

BOTH STILL REMAIN HOLY.
I hope you don't violate your marriage on a weekly basis as you violate the Sabbath.... Both are HOLY to YHWH as you admitted, so why honor/sanctify one and not the other???

The entering of SIN into the world does not effect the holiness of either institution. Thererfore Messiah's life and death, did nothing to address either institution, since He came to address the SIN issue. Neither were sin, neither were modified, or changed due to His life, death and resurrection.

The institution of SABBATH AND MARRIAGE PREEXISTED SIN....don't you know this???

Marriage was also part of the First Covenant of YHWH, even though it preexisted Sinai. He protected it by forbidding Adultery. The penalty of voilating it was DEATH!

Why do men get angry if they find out their wives have committed adultery, to the point they want to KILL either the wife and or the man who slept with her?
Because something very precious and Holy has been violated. Our Heavenly Father is recorded to feel the same way about the Sabbath breaker in that He ordained the DEATH PENALTY to any who would break it.

Exod.31
[15] Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day,
***he shall surely be put to death.***
[16] Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

If you teach that the ADULTERER in the New Covenant is worth of death according to
:
Heb.13
[4] Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

Why do you feel that Marriage should be undefiled, yet you can defile the Sabbath?

The Sabbath was part of the First Covenant of YHWH. He protected the SABBATH, by giving the DEATH PENALTY for violating it! You commit SPIRITUAL ADULTERY when you break any of YHWH's commandments, and for some of the commandments He has ordained the DEATH PENALTY, for Adultery, Homosexuality, Blasphemy, Beastiality and breaking the SABBATH.

If you had the mind of Christ, you would already know or be able to see these things now...

Continuing:

Adam and Eve were made on the Sixth day.

Gen. 1:31
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

YHWH RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY:

Genesis 2

1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The SABBATH is for our REST.
The SABBATH is BLESSED by YHWH. Your disobedience to it does not make it UNBLESSED.

We find out later on in Gen 2 more detail about creation week. When combined with Chapter 1, we understand more detail around man's creation, that he was immediately put in Eden, on the 6th day:

Gen. 2

:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. .

15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

So, let' review what the Bible says about Eden, and dispell some darkness regarding this text.

YHWH created man on the 6th day of creation week, before sin entered the world.

YHWH put man in EDEN on the 6th day of Creation week, before sin entered the world. .

YHWH created WOMAN on the 6th day, before sin entered the world..

YHWH told man that he was to WORK in EDEN on the 6th day, before sin entered the world.

YWHW told man what he was to EAT on the 6th day, before sin entered the world.

YHWH told man what he was NOT TO EAT, on the 6th day,before sin entered the world..

YHWH INSTITUTED MARRIAGE, on the 6th day, before sin entered the world..

YHWH INSTUTED THE SABBATH on the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK, WHEN MAN WAS STILL IN EDEN, before sin entered the world.....

Trevor, the first week of Creation week, INCLUDED THE EDENIC SABBATH DAY; the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK.

Ex. 20:11

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the SABBATH DAY, and HALLOWED IT.

Trevor, what is blinding you to see that you cannot have an "EDENIC state" without the SABBATH which occurred on the 7th day???

When man sinned it was AFTER THS SABBATH, then they were driven from EDEN.

YHWH's designed time on the Sabbath, the 7th day, for man to REST FROM HIS PHYSICAL LABORS, and spend time in communion with him for that 24 hour period, being spiritually being refreshed.

That is why YHWH said to the prophet regarding the NEW EARTH, said in

Isaiah 66:22 & 23:

For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Trevor, the EDENIC STATE includes the 7th day and the REST YHWH declared we were to do on it.

What day to you see YHWH calling man to rest on in the FUTURE EDENIC STATE of which you speak, and PLEASE PROVIDE YOUR BIBLICAL TEXTS?

Trevor, in case you missed this in Rev. 2:27, there will be a "ROD OF IRON" which Messiah will possess to enforce His rule in the kingdom of YHWH.

Revelation 12:5 King James Bible
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Rev. 19:15
A sharp sword comes out of his mouth to strike down the nations.
He will rule them with an iron rod and tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty.

Come out of your rebellion and you won't have to experience the "rod of iron*, you see, if you are breaking the Sabbath, YHWH considers worthy of the punishment the same as an ADULTERER.

You see, based on Isaiah 66:23, the Sabbath is part of the New Heavens and New Earth, the NEW COVENANT.

The "rod of iron" as you see will be used under the NEW COVENANT.....

The Feasts are part of the kingdom observances and therefore part of BOTH COVENANTS:

King James Bible
zECH 14:16 & 17

And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to "KEEP THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES"

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, *even upon them shall be no rain*.

Trevor, there are CONSEQUENCES for being disobedient to YHWH's commandments.

is YOUR FAMILY going to join the people of YHWH, and go up to KEEP the FEAST OF TABERNACLES, when the KINGDOM OF YHWH arrives on earth?

Which will you accept? The His Sabbath and His Feasts or do you prefer the HIS
"rod of iron"?

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

Did I write those scriptures, or did the Apostle write them?

[Ann Wilson]

Trevor:
You mentioned returning to the Edenic state.
Well, can you tell us when the Sabbath was first mentioned and observed/rested on by our Creator Himself? Yes it was during the first week of created time Ex. 20. 8 - 11.

Also, you are obviously unaware that the FESTIVALS, were first mentioned during creation week, in Gen. 1:14.

If you were one to deeply study the Bible you would know that the word "season" in Gen. 1:14, is the same as FEASTS in Leviticus 23. The KJV obscures this understanding, but it has always been there in the Hebrew and a myriad of other Bibles, I have copied them below for you since I know you would never check this out for yourself:

Won't you seek the correct understanding of Gen 1:14

“And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons (moed) , and for days. and years.”

Hebrew word “mo’ed” in the KJV Genesis 1:14 means just what the Strong’s Concordance says it means:

MOW’ED [4150]
1. appointed place, appointed time, meeting
a. appointed time
1. appointed time (general)
2. sacred season, set feast, appointed season
b. appointed meeting
c. appointed place
d. appointed sign or signal
e. tent of meeting

These references presented below all go to prove the same thing. [The original longer version of this article contained 48 references.] They are not presented to be repetitious or redundant, but rather to emphasize to the reader that the conclusions that we have reached on this point is not an invention or a fanciful view. The proofs and evidences presented herein represent the consensus of a universal scholarship transcending denominational barriers and dispensations whether Jew, Gentile, Sabbath-keeper or Sunday-keeper, ancient or contemporary. These facts therefore recommend themselves to ones intelligent faith, with this information any serious Bible student will understand the continuity of the Sabbath and Festivals, the means for keeping them were mentioned before sin even entered the world, before the even creation of man, in the PRE EDENIC state....

Bible Translations
[1] “Then God commanded, let lights appear in the sky to separate day and night and to show the time when days, years, and religious festivals begin.” Good News Bible

[2] “God said, ‘Let there be lights in the vault of heaven to divide day from night, and let them indicate festivals, days, and years.” Jerusalem Bible

[3] “God said, let there be lights in the vault of heaven to separate day from night, and let them serve as signs both for festivals and for seasons and years.” The New English Bible

[4] “Then God said, ‘Let there be lights in the sky to separate the day from the night. They will be signs and will mark religious festivals, days, and years.” God’s Word

[5] “God said, “Let there be luminaries in the firmament of the heaven to separate between the day and the night; and they shall serve as signs, and for
festivals, and for days and years.” Artscroll TaNaKh, Stone Edition

[6] “God said, ‘There shall be lights in the heavenly sky to divide between day and night. They shall serve as omens [and define] festivals, days and years.’ The Living Torah by Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan

[7] “God spake: Let there be a system of light bearers in the vault of the heaven to distinguish between the day and the night, and they shall also serve for signs and for festival times and for cycles of days and years.” The Pentateuch—Samson R. Hirsch New York: Bloch (1963)

[8] “God said, ‘Let there be luminaries in the firmament of the heaven to separate between the day and the night; and they shall serve as signs, and for festivals, and for days and years.’” Bereishis [Genesis] — Meir Zlotowitz Brooklyn, N.Y.: Mesorah (1977)

[9] “God said, let there be lights in the vault of the heavens to separate day from night, and let them serve as signs both for festivals and for seasons and years.” The Revised English Bible, Oxford University Press, 1989

[10] “Then God said, Let there be lights in the Vault of heaven to separate day from night, to mark out the sacred seasons, the days and the years.” The Bible, A New Translation by James Moffatt

An important rule of Bible interpretation is that one must take into account the meaning of the words, in the languages of the authors at the time when they were written, and not necessarily the English translation of them today. Even though the KJV translators translated the word “mo’ed” as “seasons” it has no reference to how the word “seasons” is used today (summer, winter, spring and fall.) This is why Bible concordances and lexicons are invaluable Bible study tools. You don’t need to read Hebrew or be a “scholar” to use them. Moses, the author of Leviticus 23:2 was also the author of

Genesis 1:14.

Bible Commentaries
We begin this section to show the testimony of various Bible commentaries beginning with the Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary (SDABC). The SDABC is presented here first as leading a consensus of commentators showing that “moed” translated “seasons” in the KJV in Genesis 1:14 refers to the holy days.

[11] “Yearly returning festival periods and other definite times were to be regulated by the movement of the celestial bodies.” The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary Vol.1, p. 213 under “seasons”

[12] “And God said: Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them serve as signs for the festivals, the days and the years. And they shall serve as signs. Contrary to the usual conception, the Torah teaches that the sun and the moon were created to serve as signs; for example, to set terrestrial time and the calendar…” Call Of The Torah Commentaries, Rabbi Elie Munk, Bereishis, p. 11

[13] “And God said: ‘Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for, signs, and for seasons, and for days and years;’”
“For seasons. a. “Seasons” was an anticipation of the future: the festivals (also called “seasons”) were fixed by lunar calculation. (Idem) b. To regulate the calendar. The “seasons” are spring, summer, autumn, and winter; also seed-time and harvest. The Heb. word for “seasons” later acquired the meaning of “festivals,” since these were fixed by the year’s seasons. (Hertz, J. H.) c. “Signs” means minutes and “seasons” hours. (Ibn Ezra)” Encyclopedia of Biblical Interpretation. Menahem M. Kasher. vol. 1, p. 47

[14] “Meaning and related words OO’LE MOAADIM means and for festivals… The root is MOED — noun meaning — ‘appointed time, festival’ as well as ‘appointed place, place of meeting, appointed sign, signal’…(p. 84-85)” Mila Yomit; The Torah, Word by Word OO’LE MOAADIM “and for Fest-ivals” Bereishit 1:14 by Rabbi Itzchak Marmorstein (from [e-mail])

[15] “The Targum of Jonathan is, and let them be for signs and the times of the feasts, and to reckon with them the number of days, and, sanctify the beginnings of the months, and the beginnings of the years, and the intercalations of months and years, the revolutions of the sun, and the new moons, and cycles.
“And so Jarchi interprets ‘seasons’ of the solemn festivals, that would hereafter be commanded the children of Israel; but those uses were not for a certain people, and for a certain time, but for all mankind, as long as the world should stand.” Gill’s Commentary

[16] “[For seasons] moadim; For the determination of the times on which the sacred festivals should be held. In this sense the word frequently occurs; and it was right that at the very opening of his revelation God should inform man that there were certain festivals which should be annually celebrated to his glory. Some think we should understand the original word as signifying months, for which purpose we know the moon essentially serves through all the revolutions of time.” Adam Clarke’s Commentary

[17] “The word ‘moadim’ which they translate ‘certain times’, is variously understood among the Hebrews: for it signifies both time and place, and also assemblies of persons. The Rabbis commonly explain the passage as referring to their festivals.” John Calvin’s Commentary

[18] “Seasons — not merely time naturally marked, or days and years would also not be also specified, but Festal Times.” The Book of Genesis, Henry Alford, D.D.

[19] “And for seasons. Heb. Moed-set or appointed times…signifying to fix by previous appointment. The phrase points not only to the seasons of the year, which are regulated by the course of the sun, and to the computation of months and years, but also to fasts, feasts, and other religious solemnities, such as were appointed to be observed by the people of Israel.” Notes on Genesis Vol.1, George Bush

[20] “And for festivals. This translation follows Rashi who interprets moed here as a reference to the ‘Festivals’: ‘This is in anticipation of the future when Israel would be commanded to regulate the festivals by calculation.’
“[The translation also agrees with Targum Yonasan and with the Midrash which specifically renders]: ‘This refers to the three pilgrimage festivals.’” Bereishis-Genesis/A new translation with a commentary anthologized from Talmudic, Midrashic and Rabbinic Sources, Mesorah Publications, Ltd.

[21] “The heavenly lights are created to divide day and night, to give (additional) light, and to serve as signs (i.e. time markers) for days, years, and fixed seasons (the word for ‘seasons’ is also the word for religious festival).” The New Interpreter’s Bible Vol.1 (paren. Belongs).

[22] “…their (the luminaries) influence here (creation) is restricted to that which obviously depends on them, viz. The alternation of day and night, the festivals, etc… It is noteworthy that this is the only work of creation of which the purposes is elaborately specified.
“for signs and for seasons, etc. Mo’ed (seasons) appears never to be used of the natural seasons of the year…but always of a time conventionally agreed upon… or fixed by some circumstance. The commonest application is to the sacred seasons if the ecclesiastical year, which are fixed by the moon (cf. Ps 104:19).” The International Critical Commentary, John Skinner, 1976 (3rd Edition) pp 25 & 26.

[23] “God is described as calling into existence the heavenly bodies for three distinct purposes: (1) to divide between day and night; (2) to determine periods of time, days, months, years, seasons, festivals, &c.; (3) to give light upon earth…
“for signs, and for seasons — Literally, ‘for signs and for fixed times.’…The ‘fixed times’ probably denote the periods of the year for agricultural and rural occupations, together with their festivals. Days of festivals were determined by particular moons, or by the rising of particular stars.” Herbert E. Ryle, D.D., The Book of Genesis, 1921

[24] “There are several Hebrew words which refer to a long period of time. These include qedem which is the main one-word term for ‘ancient’ and is sometimes translated ‘of old’; olam means ‘everlasting’ or ‘eternity’ and is translated ‘perpetual’, ‘of old’ or ‘for ever’; dor means ‘a revolution of time’ or ‘an age’ and is sometimes translated ‘generations’; tamid means ‘continually’ or ‘for ever’; ad means ‘unlimited time’ or ‘for ever’; orek when used with yom is translated ‘length of days’; shanah means ‘a year’ or ‘a revolution of time’ (from the change of seasons); netsach means ‘for ever’. Words for a shorter time span include eth (a general term for time); and moed, meaning ‘seasons’ or ‘festivals’.”
How Long Were The Days Of Genesis 1? Some Hebrew ‘Time’ Words from Answers in Genesis Ministries Intl http://www.answersingenesis.org
Hebrew / English Lexicons

[25] MOED (time of) feast pl. Gen 1:14. “A Concise Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament” based on the lexical work of Ludwig Koehler and Walter Baumgartner by William L. Holladay Lowry Professor of Old Testament Andover Newton Theological School — William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company Grand Rapids Michigan. p. 186

[26] MOED — Notes. It is most probable that in Gen 1:14… the reference is to the sacred seasons as fixed by the moon’s appearance; and so also he made the moon for sacred seasons Ps 104:19.” A Hebrew and English Lexicon of the Old Testament by Francis Brown, D.D. D. Litt—Oxford at the Clarendon Press 1907, p 418

Seasons in Gen 1:14 means FESTIVALS/FEAST DAYS! our Creator herein establishes how to keep them, which is based upon the astronomical bodies he set in the heavens.

If you didn't know before, Treavor, you know it now.....

Don't continue to support, to be in covenant with, the evil force of Daniel 7:25, who
"changed the feast days an the law..."

[Ann Wilson]

Bro Trevor:
Paul plainly said that he believed EVERYTHING written by Moses and the Prophets, as did the other true Apostles:

Acts 24:14. But this I confess to thee that according to the way which they
call a heresy, so do I serve the Father and my God, *believing all things
which are written in the *law (Moses) and the prophets*:

In the Law/Torah, we know that the Sabbath and the Festivals are HOLY.

Isa.58
[13] If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

Lev.23
[2] Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
[4] These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
[37] These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:


What is it about *HOLY* that you don't understand?

Do you for some reason think that Jesus made the Sabbath and festivals, UNHOLY when He died???

Please don't neglect to answer that last question

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

I wont neglect your question. The Sabbath was never made unholy at all. If you seen the original question, this is a matter of Old Covenant/New Covenant and their seals. The Sabbaths were apart of Old Covenant seals, as were circumcisions, and feasts. The Sabbaths are still holy according to old covenant law; the thing is, we are under the NEW COVENANT! You can quote all you want to, but it wont override theses words:

Hebrews 8:6-13

6But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

7For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

13In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.



Colossians 2:8-17

8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

11In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.



Colossians 3:11

11Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.



Galatians 2:3, 11

3But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:

21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Galatians 3:23-25

23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

[Ann Wilson]

Trevor:

You are like so many 'New Testament" theologians, who "twist Paul's writings to your own destruction as Peter warned about:

2Pet.3
[16] As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

You see justificatin in Paul's writings, forgetting the very words of YHWH who our Messiah said we were to obey.

Do you realize that you hold Paul's writings in more esteem than you do our Creator's or His Messiah?

When Pauls writings appear to differ from the teachings of our Creator and His Messiah differ from you push THEIR HOLY WORDS word aside to accept what Paul wrote!

Why when some early christians rejected Paul's writings, as did the Berean's rejected his message, if it didn't agree with the word of YHWH?

Do you know for a fact that every letter from Paul. was written by the Apostle Paul.
It is the Catholic Church that claims Paul wrote those letters. Do you trust the letters who don't agree with the Holy Writings of our Heavenly Father and His Son?

Our Messiah said:

Luke.4
[4] And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

The Apostles spoke YHWH's word, not PAUL'S word:

Acts.4
[31] And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

Acts.11
[1] And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God

Acts 13:
[44] And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
[46] Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

Part of our Armor is "the word of YHWH". That is why it cannot be undermined by anyone else or anything else:

Eph.6
[17] And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

In Paul's writings there are many interpolatins, puncutation changes, and additions and deletions.

The texts you build your doctrines are mostly from those spurious or twisted parts of his epistles

I know you have probably never heard this before unless a person understands the cannonization of the Bible, who did it and how they came about choosing the NT texts, you are hopeless when it comes to your understanding and hearing the pure word of YHWH,
because your carnality is opposed to YHWH's law, which is the core of the First and Second Covenants.

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

So the question this:

"Do you believe that Apostle Paul spoke against the LORD our GOD?"

Is that your claim now? Tampering by the Roman Catholic Church? SAD!! The Church decided on all of Apostle Paul's letters long before the Council of Nicea.......LOOOOOOONG before!

I totally understand the canonization of the Bible, probable farther beyond what you can actually handle (no pun or insult intended at all). In fact, I opened a discussion on this before.

[James Pierce]

Trevor,

Paul said in Acts 24:14,"However, I admit that I worship the God of our fathers as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that agrees with the Torah and that is written in the Prophets."

Paul clearly says he agrees with everything that agrees with the Torah, and Prophets. My question to you is.... Why would Paul only agree with what agrees with the Torah & Prophets, and then turn around and disagree with the Torah & Prophets????

[Ann Wilson]

Excellent point!

Tevor would have us believe that Paul spoke out of "both sides of his mouth", like a polititian!

Trevor, Paul either believed in the Torah just like Yahshua and the Prophets, or he didn't.
If you say he didn't based on Acts 24:14 posted above by James, you are calling Paul a LIAR. Which one is it.

I repeat Paul said in Acts 24:14

However, I admit that I worship the God of our fathers as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that agrees with the Torah and that is written in the Prophets."

Did he believe everything written there or not?