The Lost Books Of The Bible!!!

[James Pierce]

I would like to know what you all think about the lost books of the bible.. Books such as, Bel and the dragon, Tobith, Maccabees, Enoch, 1st clement, shepherd of hermes, gospel to the hebrews, etc.

What do you all think about it?

Should they be viewed as accepted?

What, what, what.... should we do?

Does anyone have a list of ALL THE KNOWN lost books of the bible?

[John]

First of all I don't understand where anyone gets the term "lost books of the bible"! Who said they were lost or should have been put in there? Was is God? A lot of people wrote things from the ages but doesn't mean it should have been part of the bible even if they were disciples or not. I think God determines what is put in HIs Word or not and not man. Just my opinion though.

[James Pierce]

Some books, such as shepherd of hermes, 1st clement, and several others, were considered inspired by many of the early apostolic church. clement, hermes, were followers of Paul. Polycarp was a disciple of John. Books written by their hands would consider to be just as inspired as the books that did make the biblical canon. Personally, I would not disregard the books that did not make the canon so quickly. I will personally study them.

[John]

I know what you are saying but to me you make it sound like it's man that decided what goes in the bible and I strongly believe it is God that chose what He wanted. I feel like those individuals that God chose were inspired by Him and not of their own. Like Jerry Farwell and his boys that wrote the NKJV. They weren't inspired by God to do this they did it on their own and Jerry even stated later that he wished he hadn't been part of that. I feel the same way about bible translations, it seems to me that God translated to what was the dominate language of the time to get His Word out and that He inspired them to translate and not of themselves. I know about these gentlemen you speak of and Eusebius and others but I just can't believe that the bible was done by men for men but by God for men through men.

[John]

I thought the KJV 1611 was translated from the major text. The major text I thought was from Syrian line and not Alexandria line. I agree that man did put things in the bible but it was at the direction of God (Holy Spirit). Then do you mean that what's in the OT is totally by God but not the NT? If so what is the proof of it or is it just hearsay passed down? Man I need to know these things. You just don't know how bad I want truth as opposed to what man says is truth. I've got more research to do. Thanks.

[John]

My understanding is that the OT in the KJV is exactly as the Torah. Is this correct. What do you read so I can get one. I wasn't trying to insinuate anything just a question to see if I was understanding you. By the way I will reply to two of your post you replied to me on. I looked at that video before but I have seen other things and God has put in my heart who I am and where I came from. I am from Shem my Brother and I will tell everyone. I have to finish digesting what He has fed me today because I am full and can't eat anymore. LOL

[John]

Praise God my Brother all praise due to Him. I need to get those books. Thank you again and thanks for keeping on doing what God has given you to do.

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

Truth be told, the Book of Enoch and the Maccabees are not "lost". Enoch is read by the Ethiopic Church as regularly as we may read Matthew or Psalms. Just because we in Western Christianity don't read them does not mean that they are "lost" or even "false". If anything, we with out Enoch have an INCOMPLETE Bible. 1st Clement, Hermes, ect are along the lines of Ignitius Tertullian and the rest of the Apostolic Fathers: great to read and understand where our doctrinal battles stem from, but not along with the Epistles of the Apostles.

[James Pierce]

My Greek Old Testament contains duetecannonical books. My mind is opened to any book that is considered "lost", just as long as they are for the law of God, and the prophets, and does not contradict anything else.

[John]

I've sort of gotten away from this site again because you find yourself getting into the "I'm right and your wrong" debates that too me take away what this site is about and that's just my opinion only. But it boggles my mind when I think that individuals think the bible was written by men and not God! People talk about lost books as though God forgot to put them in His Book. It just sounds too absurd to me and I mean no disrespect to any of you that feel there are lost books. I think we get a lot of that from these wasteful TV programs on Discovery or History Channel that states these things. The reason books by Eusebius, Josephus, The Maccabees, Enoch, The Gospels by Mary Magdaline or any other so called Gospel by anybody aren't in the bible is because God didn't put them there and didn't put His Spirit in those people to write the books He wanted in His Book period. For anyone to think God gave us an INCOMPLETE bible just makes no sense to me what so ever.

I do not for one minute think or believe that there is any author in the bible but God. I don't care if it says the Books of Moses, Solomon, David, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Isaiah, Jeremiah, the Minor Prophets or who ever the name is, they didn't just wake up one day and say "I think I'll write a book" for God's bible. God wrote His book by using men to write what He told them to say and write. There is and hasn't been any man or woman on the face of this earth from the beginning of time that has been that Holy to write for God with the exception of Christ Jesus who is God Incarnate! We who are carnal can know way no the mind of He Who is Holy to write for Him unless He puts His Spirit in us and gives us His authority to do so. Don't get me wrong I know we went to college and have degrees and got good grades so that says we're smart but we dont' have the mind of God by going to man's so called higher learning. I went to college too but so what!

It's like men (not God) who wrote these bibles from the Minor Text and not the Major Text including the NKJV (by men not God that omitts whole verses and changes His Word) and then everyone says "well they are just putting the bible (God's Word) into the present day language so we can understand it. That is hog wash! We can't improve on God and God knew what He was doing. I don't care if you have ancient books and you find something that sounds good to you and makes sense to you, you're still carnal no matter what your title or education and you can't improve on God. It's like this gentleman that I'm sure has changed his name to what he feels is not a so called slave name now and is in something that he feels makes sense to him told me that the bible doesn't have the book of Jasher so it's wrong! The book of Jasher! Jasher is not the name of a person first of all and it's Hebrew spelling is Yashar an adjective that simple means straight, upright, correct, right. So in the only two places this is mentioned in Joshua and 2Samuel it's not meaning there was a book but is saying the book of straightness, upright, correct, pleasing and righteous. This can only be God's Book the bible. But you can go find a book called the book of Jasher and it is something that an individual (satan) did to confuse and deceive as he has done since he fell from grace. I mean you can believe what you want and be intelligent and flesh led and all that because God gave us free will. Personally I don't care what anyone finds in history or man's education and wisdom, I'm sticking with what God says period because Satan and man are liars period. Once again I mean no disrespect to anyone. May God continue to bless you and provide His mercy and grace to us all.

[Dr. Ayele Khumari]

God did not write the Bible. Many men with sometimes contradicting views wrote the the books of the Bible and were inspired by God. We must begin to reason as Jesus reasoned and stop believing in myths and fear based perspectives that do not enlighten but instead promote ignorance. God is love not fear. To realize the God did not write the Bible does not negate the existence nor the power of God. As far as the "lost books" we must understand how the Bible was compiled in the first place. The earliest texts are documented to have derived from Ancient Summeria. Noah and the likes all date back way past the 4000 years the Bible is said to have been started. They then became incorporated into the Hebrews and by the time it was written down it was already ancient history. The Torah evolved out of these passages. These passages, although written contained inner teachings and outer teachings. The inner teachings ( written in code) reflected high spiritual truths while the outer teachings were for the masses.

Enoch, Mechesidek,Moses, etc understood the inner teachings and the codes. Jesus understood these inner teachings and founded his ministry on them. Peter then took the outer teachings and fashioned the Catholic Church. The inner teachings have always remained underground for those who had eyes to see and ears to hear. The Catholic church did not originally have a core set of scriptures that they followed. In fact most of the current scriptures as we know them were not written by the so called authors. They were written hundreds of years later. They were loosely compiled and each monastery had different scriptures.It was not until much later that that they began to combine them into one set of scriptures and King James was the first to popularize that one set. During that time the Pope and Bishops decided which books to include and which not to include. That is how the "lost" books came to be. The ones that they did not include were cast away.

[James Pierce]

Dr. Sarita,

It is so true that God himself did not write the holy scriptures, rather, scripture makes it clear that he wrote through the holy men of old, his holy word. 2 Peter 1:20-21 states,"knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." The very prophecies of the holy scriptures were directly from God through his holy prophets, and he moved them to write these prophecies.

Scripture also says in 2 Tim 3:16-17,"All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work." God's word is straight from his mouth, and through his people. Even though God did not write it himself, he used his prophets, and his apostles to write it, but the words and will are the Father's.

It is true that the background of Genesis has sumerian, and babylon myth contained in it, but Israel had a hard reason for incorporating ancient stories into their own theology. They were showing the pagans that their God, Yahweh, is greater than Ba'al, murdock, and tamar, and all other paganistic gods of the ancient world. Yahweh is dominate over them all, and the sh'ma(duet 6) declares it.

For the record, Peter did not start the Catholic Church at all. The 1st 15 Bishops of the Church at Jerusalem were all Jewish, and they taught their disciples(Jew & Gentile), to adhere to the law of God. The RCC does not adhere to the law of God, so its impossible to include Peter as the 1st Bishop of the RCC. I am not sure what inner teachings you are referring to, but the Lord's teachings were not his own.

Jesus' teachings were his Father's teachings, and the teachings were rooted in the Law and the Prophets. The early church was rooted in the law and the Prophets, along with the Gospel of our Lord. Only down through the centuries was it when the law and the prophets became irrelevant to the church, and they set the law aside.

As far as the so called "lost books" my mind is open to learning them, because they contained some great truths. Let us take heed to God, his law, and the Gospel of our Lord Jesus, and cast down all false teachings that rise itself against our Lord.

[John]

Dr Kalu may I please inquire where you got your learning or understanding from and please believe this is just a question for my own curiosity and nothing more? Peter didn't start the Catholic Church and God didn't write the bible say with His own finger as he did on the tablets of stone for Moses but He did write the bible through those men that He chose which is in essence Him writing the bible. Sure others wrote somethings also but they weren't chosen by God to do so. God is in charge and not man, if God wanted any so called lost books to be put into His Bible I think it would be there. Thanks in advance and may God continue to bless You and keep You in His mercy and grace.