Who is the antichrist and where does he come from

[Coe Terrence Bass Sr.]

I have heard many discussions concerning the antichrist, is there any scripture to back up that he will come from a revived roman empire?
or that he will be european?

[Min. Jackson]

I am not a fan of our President's policies and beliefs, but I don't understand why so many of our people are calling him the Anti-Christ. Study your bible.

[Coe Terrence Bass Sr.]

well minister jackson..................who has called president obama the antichrist?
no one who is a real student of bible prophecy will believe that president obama is the antichrist
I see that we have a beautiful discussion with with people who have and are studying their bible.

Now there are many who have taught that president obama is the antichrist, and there are prejudiced people who even teach that he should die, this is beacuase many not all but many whites can't stand that a black man is in the white house so to demonize him they come up with this teaching.

I don't teach or believe , and i havent read where anyone else on this discussion believes that view.

So to throw out a "study your bible" to people who obviously have a great depth of knowledge is kind of off the cuff .

[Coe Terrence Bass Sr.]

my point is this Hezekiah Ben Israel.

The EU being the 10 horns of Revelation 13, and Daniel 7 just doesn't fit in my opinion.
but I also know my opinion doesn't mean much when we are discussing scripture.

Dan 8:20 The ram which thou sawest having the two horns, they are the kings of Media and Persia.
Dan 8:21 And the rough he-goat is the king of Greece; and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
Dan 8:22 And as for that which was broken, in the place whereof four stood up, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not with his power.
Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors have completed their transgression, there shall stand up a king of fierce countenance, and understanding stratagems.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power; and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper and do; and he shall destroy them that are mighty and the people of the saints.
Dan 8:25 And through his cunning he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and in time of security shall he destroy many; he shall also stand up against the prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.


From this we can see that the antichrist will come from one of the divisions of Alexander the greats empire
Now many will say that this was Antiochous but notice the bible says that this king will come when the time of transgression if full and in the later time of thier kingdom........this is an angel giving Daniel the meaning of this vision.

He makes a statement that their kingdom this is the grecian kingdom not roman kingdom.

Notice also that this king comes from one of the divisions of the grecian kingdom not rome.

Also vs 25 states that this king will stand up against the Prince of Princes who can this prince of princes be?
It has to be none other than Jesus for no one else can hold that title.


The entime empire cannot be the EU because the Greecian empire never ruled europe, nor rome.
The endtime king comes from out of one of the 4 divisions of alexanders empire.
Where did babylon, persia,and greece have their primary seat of rule and what was the largest land mass that their territory was made of it was all middle eastern and not european.

Get back with me if you can I am enjoying the feed back brothers

Even though rome did rule much of the middle east the endtime beast must have remnants of the first 3 kingdoms in it Rev. 13 and rome didn't.

Rome never conquered all of Persia, the endtime empire must include Persia according to bible prophecy

Get back with me if you can I am enjoying the feed back brothers

[Hezekiah Ben Israel]

You are following the imagination of your heart.

[Coe Terrence Bass Sr.]

that is why we are having this discussion so we can all learn and be informed.
It seems you believe that all people who go to church are part of the beast.
from a response you made earlier.
You say that the beast , and the antichrist is european, but you have not provided scripture to support that.

Produce scripture to support that theory

if the antichrist is not the pope, and catholicism is not the harlot of revelations 17, then your whole accusations against people who go to church on sundays kind of falls apart.

so to keep condemning people who go on sundays you have to condemn catholicism because you believe they are responsible for sunday worship

give me some scripture brother
thanks

[Hezekiah Ben Israel]

That is not real either. The Lord said that the 7th day is the Sabbath. I know you have read that. That alone beats down the lie of the Sunday Sabbath, It is like I said. You follow the imagination of your heart.

[Hezekiah Ben Israel]

Isaiah 8:19-21 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead? To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. And they shall pass through it, hardly bestead and hungry: and it shall come to pass, that when they shall be hungry, they shall fret themselves, and curse their king and their God, and look upward.

1John2:3-5 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

1John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Matthew 15:1- 9 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Isaiah 29:9-13 Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink. For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered. And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed: And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

[Coe Terrence Bass Sr.]

did you read my reply fully, did you understand it in the context of how it was written?

Can you show scripture that proves the pope is the antichrist and catholicism is the whore of revelations 17.
All we ask for is bible proof

[Hezekiah Ben Israel]

did you not read those scriptures above?

I read your entire post.

Revelation 17: 1-5 says about the Mother of Harlots, which is the religion. She is the Mother church. The woman is the religion and the abominations in her cup is that bad doctrine. Christmas, Ash wednesday, Good Friday, Sunday as the Sabbath, Easter, Halloween, Lint, etc. All of these are against what the Lord wants. Now if you go in history you will see that the Catholic church considers itself the Mother church. Who controls the mother church? Just use some common sense.

[Hezekiah Ben Israel]

The beast that she sat on is the EU, and the NWO. The beast listened to the woman or the religion, and if they listen to the religion, who are they listening to?

Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. Now. What place in the world sits on 7 mountains, and you have found the Anti-Christ. Look up Vica Vicarious. Vatican city is the only place sitting on 7 mountains. Look it up.

[Coe Terrence Bass Sr.]

t there are actually many other cities in this world that are also built on seven hills

1. Jerusalem, comprising of Scopus, Nob, "Mount of Corruption" (or "Mount of Offense"), the original Mount Zion, Ophel Mount, Fort Antonia, the new Mount Zion.
2. Istanbul (known as Constantinople before Turkey renamed it).
3. Amman, capitol of Jordan. Today, however, Amman covers some 19 hills.
4. Mecca, comprising of Jabal abu Siba, Jabal Safa, Jabal Marwah, Jabal abu Milhah, Jabal abu Ma'aya, Jabal abu Hulayah and Jabal abu Ghuzlan
5. Rio de Janeiro in Brazil.
6. Kampala in Uganda, comprising of Mengo, Lubaga, Namirembe, Old Kampala, Kibuli, Nakasero and Makerere.
7. Lisbon in Portugal.
8. Sheffield in England.
9. Edinburgh in Great Britain.
10. Nevada City in USA.
11. Cincinatti in USA, comprising Mt. Adams, Mt. Auburn, Walnut Hills, Fairview Heights, Clifton Heights, Vine Street Hill, Price Hill, Fairmount, Mt. Lookout, Mt. Hope, Mt. Echo, and Mt. Storm.

[Caral]

The Vatican city is a microstate and a country that sits on a singular hill. I also believe that you may be hard pushed to for supporting evidenvce for the Roman church martyring millions of Christians for their faith in Jesus? (Rev 17:6)

I think Mecca is the most likely candidate, although I was quite fascinated to read the above information about Istanbul. I know that there is a lot of inference from supporters of the Islamic eschatological paradigm, that Turkey will have part a major part.