Questions for the Hebrew Israelite Brethren and Sisteren...

[newview]

Why are you guys of the Hebrew Israelite denomination so caught up in the flesh - OT, OT, OT. Have you guys ever been effected by that which is spiritual?

Do miracles ever happen amongst your congregants - like other wordly happenings - things that you can't explain and yet don't contradict the word of God?

Do you guys ever speak in tongues under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost? and if so Have they been interpretated and if so - what were a few of the messages?

Does the Lord ever give y'all visions? Daytime visions?

When there is sick among you - has your elders been called to anoint the sick with oil and pray for them and you see them miraculously healed?

Are there any-any-any white people in any of your congregations? or have there ever been any at one time but are now gone?

Do you guys believe in the resurrection of the dead?

Do you sing songs? If so - name at least 5.

Do you dance for joy in the Lord?

Are there any in your congregations who prophesy on things to come? - if so - please share a few.

When I read yall posts I often wonder if there is any joy and anything spiritual going on in your assemblies. It does not seem so, but there could be alot going on and you guys are just not sharing it with us.
And if your goal is to convert - you really need to step out and say something that the board can know or at least surmise that the God of Heaven steps out of Eternity and deals with your group(s).
I dont want it to seem that I am asking for a sign but I guess I am because the early church brought with their doctrine power and demonstration.

Otherwise - to me at least - it seems that what you brothers are sharing is stagnant.
And I say that out of love. I really enjoy scrapping with you guys over many of the subjects but when it gets down to business - outside of the OT - there is a dead pool effect going on.

Besides striving about the Law - share with the board how God deals with you guys mightily.

In Peace

[newview]

"...James did not agree with Noachide laws in Acts 15. Read verse 21..."

I have read it.
I think he was telling them that OK we cannot deny that the Gentiles are apart of the Body of Christ because of the witness of the Holy Ghost - they received it just like the Jewish believers received it.
So he would not put anyother burden on them besides what I quoted already.
Plus when he makes reference to the Moses and the Prophets being taught in the synagogues - that if they wanted to learn or go futher - they could get what they needed from those meetings.
But James said that they only had to do what was basic to a humanbeing living in God's community.
Thats how I am seeing it. I may not be right.

[James Pierce]

Newview,

Well first, it is not what James said that matters, but what Yah, our father, says. The burden was not the Torah, rather, the traditions of man that neither their forefathers could bare. James was basically saying to start the Gentiles off with some basic Torah teachings, and then they would learn the rest of Torah every Sabbath. James did not mean to give them 4 instructions, and that is it.

If that is true, then they were free to dishonor their parents, have sex with their wives on periods, break the Sabbath, incest, practice divination, etc. So, they would learn the rest of the Torah every Sabbath.

[Zealot X]

That's pretty close, newview. You are pretty much on point except that James and Paul understood that these gentiles were still learning. One thing that Paul wanted his followers/students to do was be "fully persuaded". In other words, WHILE you are learning from us, reading the scriptures, all that good stuff, this is what you must stop doing right now. The rest of it you can pick up more as you go along.

This process of conversion is a little different than Christians might be used to because conversion in the Christian church is like.... *snap* you're converted. I mean all you have to do is get baptized, maybe agree with the basic beliefs, that's it. For those seeking to follow YHWH the process took much longer. But don't take it from me. Search on the internet and find out how long it can take to convert to Judaism and what they say about the process. It wouldn't have been the same back then for followers of the messiah because we don't have the traditions of the elders of the tribe of Judah as laws we have to adhere to. But it was still a long process that involved education.

Think about it this way... Everything they were learning was very different from the way they had lived up to this point. You can't learn a new life in a day. They had to study. But in the mean time they all had to agree to put away certain things.


shalom

[Rebekah]

Romans 3:29
29Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

Per the Bible - God's Laws are for everyone.. i had only mentioned being white make the point that i obviously wouldnt be following a black supremacist hate group. i dont follow or practice anything that i cant read for myself in the Bible.

wouldnt the laws that Abraham kept be the same since the Lord changes not?

6For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

7Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?

[BruthaPharoah]

Rebekah
Thank you, shalom shalom

[Chaplain Pat Harris]

THANKS FOR "KEEPING IT" PLAIN AND SIMPLE BRO. WATSON

I just don't understand why some people insist on making salvation so difficult.

[Chaplain Pat Harris]

I have never read in the Bible of a "Grace-keeper" that failed. That's because we don't have to keep Grace, Grace keeps us.

God bless you Bro. Watson. We need to coin that statement.

[Zealot X]

Grace-keepers fail all the time. When a young girl gets pregnant and the seed-producer isn't around she has failed herself and her child. You cannot fail if you see no standard to live up to. But even if you have no standard the consequences of your actions are still there and ultimately they are what judge you.

[Chaplain Pat Harris]

Grace keeps us from the penalty of permanent separation from God for those who are saved, and from the penalty of death for committing an act of sin if we seek God's forgiveness and repent from that sin. However, it does not keep us from whatever consequences, short of death, that we still have to endure because the Word tells us in Galatians 6:7 that we will reap what we sow.

I don't know why you seem to think that because Christians are not "keeping the Laws" that we have no morals. Morals are taught throughout the Bible - OT and NT. It is called holy and righteous living. Fortunately for us, we are not penalized with death whenever we fall short as a result of our inherited sin nature.

Do you ever wonder why you are dead right now?

It certainly isn't because you have been keeping ALL the Laws right down to the last jot and tittle.

[James Pierce]

Chaplain,

When we define what sin is, then we can learn how to live set apart towards Yah. Sin is violation of the Torah. To avoid the practice of sin, wouldn't it be logical to keep the Torah?

[Chaplain Pat Harris]

SIN IS A TRANSGRESSION TO GOD'S WORD WHICH STARTS WITH A THOUGHT.

WE ARE NOT CONFINED TO THE TORAH, THEREFORE WE CANNOT IGNORE THE NEW TESTAMENT.

[James Pierce]

Chaplain,

The understanding of what is sin is found in the Torah. Once you understand that, you will begin to keep the Torah.