Are pastors who allowed their wives to preach and teach over men in the congregation disobeying God?

[Preacher]

1Timothy 2

11 Let a woman in quietness learn in all subjection, 12 and a woman I do not suffer to teach, nor to rule a husband, but to be in quietness, 13 for Adam was first formed, then Eve, 14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman, having been deceived, into transgression came, 15 and she shall be saved through the child-bearing, if they remain in faith, and love, and sanctification, with sobriety.

1Timothy 3
5(If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church?)

GB

[Chaplain Pat Harris]

Adam sinned....bottom line!

Amen Eccl 12:13

[Preacher]

Men not worrying about women is not godly...because women were created for men...to be under men...and the be lead by men...to not bother would be irrasponsible...

Titus 2:3
Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good.

Ephesians 5:22 Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord.

GB

[HOPE - Psalm 43:5]

Preacher... dear Preacher.

you are passionate indeed sir. We hear fully well what you are saying but you my dear are not fully comprehending what is being said to you....you read it but you are not comprehending it. Your responses show it .

I might as well be dialoging with a

*sigh* The question to myself is.. why in the world would I continue to dialogue when there is a barrier?

[Queen Terrell]

Dear Hope , dont let this get to you , you know the bible say the natural man cannot understand the things of the spirit, a lot of people can read the bible , but cannot understand it spiritually. the bible is understood by revelation from God, but without A true spiritual conversion, there is no revelation,that's what happens to most people that are confined, thay have a lot of time on their hands, so they read, but cannot understand spiritually, they can only lean to their own understanding.(Pray)!!!

[Chaplain Pat Harris]

It is unfortunate, but it is also clear . . .Preacher is talking apples and others are talking oranges. This is why the Preacher's response is repetitive.

You ask him where he is going and he'll tell you where he's been. Go figure!

[Preacher]

I'm repeating because it should be made clear...by the responses...some still do not understand or believe..
GB

[Queen Terrell]

John 4:39 And many of the samaritans of that city believed on him for the sayings of the woman, which testified, He told me all that I ever did. this is what its all about, getting people to believe.

[newview]

"...1 Timothy 2:12
I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. "

Brother do you have a problem with my statement that women are permitted and instructed to teach ?
Because I did qualify my statement CLEARLY.
She can teach but within parameters and with some borders that are not to be breached.

[Preacher]

1 Timothy 2:12
I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.

God says she can't ...you say she can...I'm with God....women cannot preaCH TEACH OR HAVE AUTHORITY OVER THE MAN IN THE CONGREGATION OR THE HOME... any woman who does so anyway...are in rebelion...and in violation of God's word...
GB

[newview]

"...God says she can't ...you say she can...I'm with God....women cannot preaCH TEACH OR HAVE AUTHORITY OVER THE MAN IN THE CONGREGATION OR THE HOME.."

Where did I say that she could teach or have authority over a man at church or at home?
I dont believe that ---> it is in direct opposition of what the scriptures teach.

What I said was: She can teach but within the guidelines God allowed her, which is to teach young women and her children. And she can even witness to her husband by how she lives her life before him - not by preaching to him.

[Preacher]

She can teach but within parameters and with some borders that are not to be breached.

Thats not what the bible says....thats why I keep reapeating... ;) It seems the word silent is not understood..
GB

[newview]

She is allowed and here are the parameters:
The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, TEACHERS OF GOOD THINGS;
That they may TEACH THE YOUNG WOMEN to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
Parameter 1) Older women are to teach the younger women
Parameter 2) They are to teach them how to be godly mothers and wives

Regarding Timothy - whose father I don’t even think was a believer:
But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, and how from INFANCY YOU HAVE KNOWN THE HOLY SCRIPTURES, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
I remember your true faith. That kind of faith first belonged to your grandmother Lois and to your mother Eunice. I know that you now have that same faith.
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So the borders of her being permitted to teach was women teaching women
and women teaching how to be good women
and women need to be teaching the word to their little ones.

Thats what I get out of the scriptures.