Would You As Pastor allow Homosexuals To Frolic In Your Church?

[Andy C Wuhraizer]

Vermont has just okayed what they call "same sex mariages". It is very sad that we humans who are supposed to be the most intelligent creatures on earth, dont even understand or appreciate the sacred purpose of marriage. The reason why God instituted marriage is for reproduction, plus nothing, minus nothing. The sole reason why we are created male and female, or exibit some form of sexuality is to reproduce. If we didnt have to reproduce after our kind, we wont have any devices for sex. Angels dont reproduce and as such are sexless beings. Everything else God put on earth comes in pairs of male and female. Even birds know this. Have you ever gone bird-watching and seen two male birds weaving a nest and trying to raise a family?
You dont have to be a rocket scientist in order to understand that another man's behind was neither designed by God nor evolution for sex. The anus is not a sexul organ, period. So that if you want to use a body feature designed to accomplish one task for a completely senseless one then there is something wrong with your perception. You are like the man who sees a deer and calls it an elephant. Something is wrong upstairs!! What is the purpose of a so called same sex marriage. Sexual pleasure so they speak. But pleasure is not the purpose for sex.The pleasure part is secondary. God made sex pleasurable, why? Because if it had felt like surgery, you would have to hold a gun to your partner's head to have children. Homosexuals have taken the "purpose" out and are going gang-ho after the "pleasure".WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT PLEASURE-SEEKING IN THE LAST DAYS?
As A pastor the only way I would allow a homosexual in my congregation if they understand that homosexuality, just all other deviations , is wrong and they came to church to seek help like all of us do. But if a homosexual shows up in church all cocky and full of gay pride and trying to peddle his ware in the church, I will chase him out with a baseball bat!!! lol!
You just said "wow, he hates homosexuals!", right? Wrong. As a pastor you cant hate anybody because of their sin.It will be like a Doctor hating a patient because the latter has a form of cancer the Doctor dreads.But if the patient tells the Doc, "Leave my cancer a lone. I was born with it, and I am proud of it." Well, then get out of the hospital! I dont hate homosexuals, I hate homosexuality. You dont hate the sinner, you hate the sin. You have to hate the sin enough to be able to help the sinner. On the other hand if you love the sin, you yourself might just get caught up in it.I consider it a disgrace to the human race that we allow behavior that even some animals shy away from.

[Maria]

i'm making a point..how can animals be born gay and humans not be born gay?
and there is in an argument right on this page that says.
"Why arent male animals marrying each other but humans. Simple, the Devil does not target animals as he targets humans."
so...does the devil really also target animals or is it possible that both animals and humans are born gay?
if you say the devil controls the mind of homosexual humans then how can you not say the devil controls the mind of homosexual animals?

[Maria]

studies have shown that there are many animals such as the ones i listed that have sex with their own sex...it's a proven fact..

[Lester Demings Jr]

"My brother on his dying bed said that he went into the lifestyle after being physically abused by my father & that my father use to call him a faggot every chance he got....thus he became angry & tried...liked it...and got AIDS as a result & is now dead! He also has children & was married."

This is a perfect example (with all due respect to your family) on how this thing grows and gets strength in someone.
Rejection is the root of homosexuality.
If family is rejecting them then the church is rejecting them what do they have left???
We need a better way of ministering to the homosexuals in this world and the way it is being done is NOT the right nor biblical way.

[Andy C Wuhraizer]

Ha haha, you see how insane the homo mind is.? The reason cats do that is becos they are cats!!! Hello! They are ANIMALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Are you an ANIMAL? DO YOU HAVE TO LEARN FROM AN ANIMAL??

[Andy C Wuhraizer]

For the first time Mr Macquieses is saying something that I agree to. A lot of people who are homosexual became so due to abuse. I heard the story of an 8year-old on radio who tells his parents to refer to him as "she". Sympathy was pouring from all around America. "Oh pouchie, so young and gay, it must be how you were born." He even piped" I hate God for creating me this way"
I knew there was more to the story than I was hearing, then, thank God! The revelation came: His mother confessed to the fact that when he was a baby, she thought nothing wrong with dressing him in GIRLS' clothes!! Hello! He was dressed in girls clothes by an insane mom till he reached kindergaten age!! What does that do? The kid was growing up and trying to find an identity for himself gender-wise and social wise. This idiotic mom interfered in the process by projecting confusing images into a young uninformed mind. The resullt? She totally confused the young mind and gave inroads for the devil to take control of the poor kid. He now hates God, not his insane, and totally idiotic mom. Any child could have ended up a homosexual if his insane mom started dressing him up in girls' clothes. Besides, the kid's older sibling was living an openly gay lifestyle in the same house where he was growing in. The American public, ignorant as usual did not make the connection. The all believe " oh here is an adorable kid born homosexual, he deserves to have his rights entrenched in the constitution" The evil mom who caused all this is now at loggerheads with a dad who seems to be more down to earth.God is not crazy. He has never made a mistake in his creation. He put the earth at the exact spot away from the sun, in order to enable life survive on planet earth. A little mistake could have defeated his entire purpose. If the earth was too close to the sun, we will all burn to dearth, too far away , and we wil all freeze to death. Geometrically, he is a precision God. Even the Devil was not created a devil from the beginning. He chosed to become the terrorist he is today, God didnt make him. God did not make you a homosexual, there is some point in your life when that evil crept in. But the good news is YOU CAN BE DELIVERED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Maria]

"Why arent male animals marrying each other but humans. Simple, the Devil does not target animals as he targets humans."
says the assistant pastor...you guys crack me up...so illogical...GASP...is the assistant pastor preaching false information to his congregation?..lol...
how are animals over the edge sexually? because men are called dogs? that doesn't really make any sense...
so are animals born gay? why are some of them homosexual? is it because the devil controls their mind?

i want to know from you how could an male animal have sex with a male animal and a femal animal have sex with a female animal if they weren't born that way?

[Maria]

so did they acquire these tastes from the devil?
eventually when their sex organs are fully developed there are male animals that have sex with male animals and female animals that have sex with female animals...how is this so?

[Anna]

Maria, you are obviously a person that promotes same sex sexual relationships.
Biblically sex is forbidden between any except husband (man) and wife (female).

In attempting to find references regarding "homosexuality in animals" having had my own mini farm, and having raised a large variety of dogs, goats, sheep, chickens, ducks, rabbits, I have NEVER encountered a male animal who would not mate with a female in "heat"!

The sexual arrousal of the male and female animals are based upon certain stimuli. I direct your attetion to the following:

Dogs will also mount one another because of the vehemence of their purely chemical reaction to the smell of an estrus female:

Not surprisingly, the smell of a female dog in heat can instigate a frenzy of mounting behaviors. Even other females who are not in heat will mount those who are. Males will mount males who have just been with estrus females if they still bear their scent.... And males who catch wind of the estrus odor may mount the first thing (or unlucky person) they come into contact with.[10]
Other animals engage in seemingly "homosexual" behavior because they fail to identify the other sex properly. The lower the species in the animal kingdom, the more tenuous and difficult to detect are the differences between sexes, leading to more frequent confusion.

-- Clashing Stimuli and Confused Animal Instincts

To explain this abnormal behavior, the first observation must be the fact that animal instincts are not bound by the absolute determinism of the physical laws governing the mineral world. In varying degrees, all living beings can adapt to circumstances. They respond to internal or external stimuli.

Second, animal cognition is purely sensorial, limited to sound, odor, touch, taste and image. Thus, animals lack the precision and clarity of human intellectual perception. Therefore, animals frequently confuse one sensation with another or one object with another.

Third, an animal's instincts direct it towards its end and are in accordance with its nature. However, the spontaneous thrust of the instinctive impulse can suffer modifications as it runs its course. Other sensorial images, perceptions or memories can act as new stimuli affecting the animal's behavior. Moreover, the conflict between two or more instincts can sometimes modify the original impulse.

In man, when two instinctive reactions clash, the intellect determines the best course to follow, and the will then holds one instinct in check while encouraging the other. With animals that lack intellect and will, when two instinctive impulses clash, the one most favored by circumstances prevails.[4]

At times, these internal or external stimuli affecting an animal's instinctive impulses result in cases of animal "filicide," "cannibalism" and "homosexuality."

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There Is No "Homosexual Instinct" In Animals
Anyone engaged in the most elementary animal observation is forced to conclude that animal "homosexuality," "filicide" and "cannibalism" are exceptions to normal animal behavior. Consequently, they cannot be called animal instincts. These observable exceptions to normal animal behavior result from factors beyond their instincts.

-- Clashing Stimuli and Confused Animal Instincts

To explain this abnormal behavior, the first observation must be the fact that animal instincts are not bound by the absolute determinism of the physical laws governing the mineral world. In varying degrees, all living beings can adapt to circumstances. They respond to internal or external stimuli.

Second, animal cognition is purely sensorial, limited to sound, odor, touch, taste and image. Thus, animals lack the precision and clarity of human intellectual perception. Therefore, animals frequently confuse one sensation with another or one object with another.

Third, an animal's instincts direct it towards its end and are in accordance with its nature. However, the spontaneous thrust of the instinctive impulse can suffer modifications as it runs its course. Other sensorial images, perceptions or memories can act as new stimuli affecting the animal's behavior. Moreover, the conflict between two or more instincts can sometimes modify the original impulse.

In man, when two instinctive reactions clash, the intellect determines the best course to follow, and the will then holds one instinct in check while encouraging the other. With animals that lack intellect and will, when two instinctive impulses clash, the one most favored by circumstances prevails.[4]

At times, these internal or external stimuli affecting an animal's instinctive impulses result in cases of animal "filicide," "cannibalism" and "homosexuality."

-- Animal "Filicide" and "Cannibalism"

Sarah Hartwell explains that tomcats kill their kittens after receiving "mixed signals" from their instincts:

Most female cats can switch between "play mode" and "hunt mode" in order not to harm their offspring. In tomcats this switching off of "hunt mode" may be incomplete and, when they become highly aroused through play, the "hunting" instinct comes into force and they may kill the kittens. The hunting instinct is so strong, and so hard to switch off when prey is present, that dismemberment and even eating of the kitten may ensue.... Compare the size, sound and activity of kittens with the size, sound and activity of prey. They are both small, have high-pitched voices and move with fast, erratic movements. All of these trigger hunting behavior. In the tomcat, maternal behavior cannot always override hunting behavior and he treats the kittens in exactly the same way he would treat small prey. His instincts are confused.[5]

Regarding animal cannibalism, the Iran Nature and Wildlife Magazine notes:
Cannibalism is most common among lower vertebrates and invertebrates, often due to a predatory animal mistaking one of its own kind for prey. But it also occurs among birds and mammals, especially when food is scarce.[6]
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Maria and others who point to "animal homosexuality" as a model for humans to approve of "human sexuality", why not also condone INCEST, CANNIBALISM AND KILLING ONES CHILDREN as normal too since animals do it???

[Andy C Wuhraizer]

You homosexuals claim you were born that way. eVEN THE dEVIL HIMSELF WAS NOT CREATED OR BORN DEVIL!! He decided, to be what he is today.

[Maria]

an assistant pastor was the one that made the connection between human sexual behavior and animal sexual behavoir...i'm just saying that logically if one is controlled by the devil then so is the other...

[Maria]

there are people that hump pillows and anything else they can lol...it's called masturbation

[Andy C Wuhraizer]

Maria I use to sympathise with you cos i have a soft spot for canadians becos, they live in country that is totally engulfed in darkness. Canada like Great Britain are some of the countries where spiritual issues are less important than economic issues. So I consider you canadians and Brits as among the most ignorant people when it comes to spirituality. Beleive me I have lived in Europe and traveled all around. I have been in Canada and half around the world.
I will give it to you straight: There are more terrorists in both UK and Canada than there are bible believing christians.There are secular non-bible believing priests and preachers in canada to make hell freeze over. I mean there are priests in Canada who will marry a man to a cow, if the price is right.