Should a Woman Be A Bishop or Apostle...?

[Apostle, Roosevelt Riley]

This is a topic which needs to be discussed. There are "pros" and "cons", but let us find the truth about this matter. A woman should not be in charge of a man at any time. God set the order even from the beginning(Genesis 3:8-16). There is no mention of any females as a bishop or an apostle in the Holy Bible. The devil has lied and deceived so many people. It is time for everyone to be persuaded by his or her own mind. I leave some scriptures for you to study and consideration. RECEIVE THE TRUTH TO BE BLESS, WALK IN ORDER AND GUIDE OTHERS !!!!!!!

[Child of the Kingdom]

According to the Codex Sinaiticus, the original biblical manuscripts, It was stated or translated to mean that Junia was well known amongst the Apostles. There is no definitive proof that Junia was even female. In the Codex Sinaiticus Junia was translated as Junias which is a male name,not female.

(Ἰουνιᾶν), it is "Junias" (a man's name).

King James translated the name Junia (Ἰουνιᾶν) but should have been translated as Junias, a man's name. If you look at the context even of the scripture Romans 16:7, it said kinsmen not kinsman and kinswoman.

Romans 16:7 KJV

Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

Codex Sinaiticus shows that, who are of note" simply means, who are well known. This is not saying they were fellow Apostles but fellow prisoners. If Junia was meant to be a woman, the scripture would have read, My fellow kinsmen and kinswoman. It did not so there is no proof that Junia (Meant to be Junias) was a woman.

Kinswoman was definitely a biblical term right along with kinsmen but it was not used in the passage in Romans 16:7

Andronicus and Junia(s) was stated as my fellow kinsmen. This was not a husband and wife pair as thought by some Theologians. There is absolutely no proof of that.

[James Pierce]

EW,

The Codex Sin is not an original lol

[Child of the Kingdom]

The original Greek word still translates as Junias not Junia. This makes the difference in gender. Also, the scripture in Romans is not calling the Kinsmen fellow Apostles it only states that they were well known Amongst the Apostles.

Three issues in this passage disproves Junia as a female Apostle.

1. The verse says fellow KINSMEN. not kinswoman.
2. The verse only says the they were well known not that they were Apostles.
3. The name Junia was mistranslated as the original Greek translation is Junias.(A male name)

I could be well known amongst famous Gospel singers, but does that make me a famous gospel singer? lol. Just trying to make a point that Well Known doesn't make you anything other than known.

[Child of the Kingdom]

According to the Codex Sinaiticus, the original biblical manuscripts, It was stated or translated to mean that Junia was well known amongst the Apostles. There is no definitive proof that Junia was even female. In the Codex Sinaiticus Junia was translated as Junias which is a male name,not female.

(Ἰουνιᾶν), it is "Junias" (a man's name).

King James translated the name Junia (Ἰουνιᾶν) but should have been translated as Junias, a man's name. If you look at the context even of the scripture Romans 16:7, it said kinsmen not kinsman and kinswoman.

Romans 16:7 KJV

Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

Codex Sinaiticus shows that, who are of note" simply means, who are well known. This is not saying they were fellow Apostles but fellow prisoners. If Junia was meant to be a woman, the scripture would have read, My fellow kinsmen and kinswoman. It did not so there is no proof that Junia (Meant to be Junias) was a woman.

Kinswoman was definitely a biblical term right along with kinsmen but it was not used in the passage in Romans 16:7

Andronicus and Junia(s) was stated as my fellow kinsmen. This was not a husband and wife pair as thought by some Theologians. There is absolutely no proof of that.

[Rest Of God Ministries]

Hello Theologian, you seem to be doing a little scripture twisting. The Greek word for that name Junia in Romans 16:7 is "ιουνιαν" Iounias ee-oo-nee'-as: Junias, a Christian -- Junias. This is a male name according to the translators. And also it does not say that they were Apostles, The Writer could have simply said that they were "an Apostle," Stephen was among the Apostles, as a matter of fact he was "set before the Apostles." Are we then to assume that Stephen was an Apostle? Of course not.

[Apostle, Roosevelt Riley]

All of us are one in Christ. What is your office? Who taught you heresies and confusion? The truth shall make you free. Study and do research before you challenge me!!! I will pray that God will have mercy on you.

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

Apostle Riley, you have ignored me on my question. I hope it was not on purpose, for it is a key question: "what is the full definition of the word "Usurp", and when/how is it properly used?"

Also, why say that women can be used in the 5-fold ministry if the cannot be Apostles?

[Elder C. Lee]

As a minister of the gospel I have always looked at scriptures according to 2 Timothy 3:16 and know that all scripture is profitable if the Word is used in the correct context. I however have always had a question concerning Acts 1:8 where Jesus is telling His followers about the need and the purpose for the Holy Ghost. My question is why were the women there? I mean Jesus clearly states that it is because they would need the Holy Ghost to become his witness right? So then why is it that Paul states in 1 Timothy 2:11-12 that the women should be silent? is it because of what was happening during that time in that location? next why didn't Paul the writer of Galatian's specifically state that the gifts given to the Church (the Body of Christ, not the four walls where you meet for service) were only for men except for evangelist and prophet's (who were evangelist and prophets suppose to teach and preach to? maybe only the women in the Body?) next as one person ask before where is our example of an evangelist except maybe for Phillip and Stephen. Next what did Paul mean in Phillipians 4:3 about helping the women who labored with Him in the gospel? did he mean men?...because he did say that they were laboring with him in the gospel right? Also what were the women in Romans 16th chapter doing this is a bit confusing so I look forward to hearing from true worshippers of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ to explain these scriptures without the cloud of your own personal believes but just what the scriptures themselves are showing us. Next why is it that churches that state a woman should remain silent will let them lead praise and worship taking the church into spiritual warfare before the congregation? (remember the scriptures let Judah go up first into the battle? Judges 1:2---->) Remember the name Judah means praise.

Next for all those that are so hardcore on 1 Timothy 2:11 (without having the understanding of the situation or the circumstances would you also preach 1 Timothy 5:23 as vigorously are will you tell me that that was a different time and different circumstances? I mean the same writer wrote both chapters and if we cannot understand the context of both scripture we should be preaching them both with the same vigor and umption.

The reason that I ask these questions is because some of the writings in here sound exactly like the sadduccees in Matthew 22:23-33 and Jesus had to correct them because they were bold with the letter of the law without having the Spiritual understanding of the principle. we would do well to understand: 2 Cor. 3: 1-6 Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you? 2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: 3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: 5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

God Bless

Minister Lee

[Toni]

right on Minister Lee, right on

[Apostle, Roosevelt Riley]

You like to hear yourself. You say alot without saying nothing. You are confused and is need of milk and not meat (Hebrews 5:12-14). God will have the last say, when judgement comes. It is enough!!! Stop misleading yourself and others, because your judgement will be strict. Repent and learn from the Holy Spirit!!!

[Elder C. Lee]

Isaiah 1:18 (King James Version)

18Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

I am truly happy that the Lord who is my example doesn't mind reasoning with me..... I will follow His example and reason with other Christians who are seeking the truth in Righteousness and not someone so puffed up in pride that they cannot handle anyone disagreeing with their positions. Remember God doesn't look at man the way man does...He is more concerned with the content of their heart than what they are saying and doing. Be extremely careful on whom you pass judgement because Romans 14:4 lets me no whose servant I am, and in knowing that I also know that NO weapon formed against me shall prosper and that EVERY Tongue that rises against me in Judgement shall be condemned for this is MY heritage from the Lord. So I will leave this discussion knowing that this battle isn't mind but the Lord's according to 2 Chronicles 20:15.

God Bless

Minister Lee

[Toni]

Minister Lee,

God IS SO concerned about the content and condition of our hearts ... and we know what is in the heart of man by what comes out of his mouth, amen? Let a man examine himself, rather than pass judgment on another... because... the same that he measures out to others will be measured back to him. Too many leaders make their followers a two-fold child of hell. They're hirelings, wolves that bite and devour, clouds without refreshing water.

There ARE tares sown among the wheat and it gives us occasion to practiuce LOVE....LOL its one thing to love those who treat you good and do good for and to you; they endear themselves. But it aint easy to love the unlovely is it?! Any light affliction WORKS for us an heavier weight of glory. Lord help us do your word and not just hear it...