The Trinity is Bibical

[Rev. Derek Joshua E'Lon]

Is The Trinity Biblical?
From the Christian Research Institute
www.equip.org
The Trinity is a basic doctrine of orthodox Christianity. Yet the word "Trinity" is not found anywhere in the Bible. Is the doctrine of the Trinity really biblical?
The doctrine of the Trinity says that there is one All Mighty One (God) who exists eternally as three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I can assure you that the elements of this doctrine are all taken directly from the Bible.
The first plank of the Trinitarian platform is that there is only one All Mighty One (God). The Bible could not be more explicit on this point, which it states explicitly about two dozen times. In Isaiah 44:8 Yahweh (The LORD) says that even He does not know of any other (mighty ones)gods!
Yahshua (Jesus) often spoke of the All Mighty One (God) as His Father, and the apostles frequently spoke of "the Almighty One (God) the Father." But the New Testament also insists that Yahshua (Jesus) is The Almighty One (God). For example, Thomas acknowledged Yahshua (Jesus) as, "My Lord(master) and my Almighty One (God)" (John 20:28), and both Peter and Paul spoke of Yahshua (Jesus) as "our All Mighty One (God) and Savior" (2 Pet. 1:1; Tit. 2:13). Yet the New Testament also makes the distinction between the Father and the Son as two very different persons. In fact they tell us that they love one another, speak to each other, and seek to glorify each other (e.g., John 17: 1-26).
The Old Testament refers often to the Holy Spirit as The Almighty One (God) at work in the world, without distinction from the Father. But Yahshua (Jesus) in John 14 to 16 explained that this Holy Spirit would be sent by the Father at the Messiah’s (Christ's) request. The Holy Spirit would teach and guide the disciples, not speaking on His own initiative, but speaking on the Messiah’s 9Christ's) behalf and glorifying The messiah (Christ). Thus, the Holy Spirit is revealed by The Messiah (Christ) to be a third person distinct from the Father and distinct from the Son.
In short, the doctrine of the Trinity is completely and totally biblical, and it is essential that all the Followers of the Messiah Yahshua (Christians) give assent to this doctrine.

[Pastor Rodrick Sweet,ThM]

Be nice to me and just give me one passage to read. Because you have made a statement that flies in the face of 2000 years of church teaching.

[Anna]

Bro Derek and other misled Trinitarians:

The Trinity is NOT BIBLICAL.

From our Messiah's own mouth, in John 17: 1 - 3, He states the following, about who WE must believe in to recieve eternal life. Note He does not say we must believe in the Holy Spirit to gain eternal life. For you to teach such is a false doctrine, which contradicts our Messiah Himself, which puts you on very treacherous ground, as it is akin to calling Him a false teacher, obviously He is not the false teacher, but those who teach contrary to HIS word/doctrines:

Take note, of John 17:1 in His prayer, He is addressing the FATHER only, as God/Elohim:

John 17:1 "Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you.


John 17:3 -

NIV© Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

NAS© "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

ISV© And this is eternal life: to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent-Jesus the Messiah.

GWT© This is eternal life: to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you sent.

KJV And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

AKJ And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

ASV And this is life eternal, that they should know thee the only true God, and him whom thou didst send, even Jesus Christ.

BBE And this is eternal life: to have knowledge of you, the only true God, and of him whom you have sent, even Jesus Christ.

DRB Now this is eternal life: That they may know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

DBY And this is the eternal life, that they should know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.

ERV And this is life eternal, that they should know thee the only true God, and him whom thou didst send, even Jesus Christ.

WBS And this is life eternal, that they may know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.

WEY And in this consists the Life of the Ages--in knowing Thee the only true God and Jesus Christ whom Thou hast sent.

WEB This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.

YLT and this is the life age-during, that they may know Thee, the only true God, and him whom Thou didst send -- Jesus Christ;
http://bible.cc/john/17-3.htm

[Anna]

Trinitarians, one more text. Revelation 21 also only mentions TWO inhabitiants who are the temple.
Trinitarians please tell us "where is the Holy Spirit"?????


Rev.21:22 -

And I saw no temple therein: for

1) the Lord God Almighty and the

2) Lamb are the temple of it.

[Hezekiah Ben Israel]

Good post Anna

[Pastor valentine]

The bible says that revelations of God's, Word, Will, and Way. Come to us by the utterance of and by the Holy Ghost.It is the Holy Ghost that convicts our heart and draw us to God. It is the Holy Ghost that guides,interpts,and comforts us. through this journey called earthly life.There is ONE GOD and HE has Three attributes, in the Person's of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. We must and know understand that we [mankind] Will never know all the mystery's of God's Word,Will, abd Way. While we are in these tabenacles called flesh.

[Anna]

Pastor Valentine, can you answer why the Holy Spirit is never referred to has having a throne, yet the Father and the Son do?

Also,
The Father has a name - YHWH
The Son has a name - Yahshua

Pray tell, what is the Holy Spirit's name?

[Pastor valentine]

The bible does not make mention of the Holy Ghost haveing or sitting . On a throne in heaven,any thing other than that would be theory or speculation. This is one of the many mysteries of God's heavenly kingdom.

Also the name of the Holy Ghost -ttapeyopia

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

Where is the HOLY GHOST? Its is HE that is indwelling and empowering us to live forever! When you see a true believer, you have seen the HOLY GHOST living and moving within them!

[Pastor valentine]

Amen, amen

[N'ZI Amani Germain]

Brother Trevor said:

"When you see a true believer, you have seen the HOLY GHOST living and moving within them"

The Bible says that our body is for:

- The Holy Spirit(1Corinthians 6: 19)

- The Lord Jesus Christ(Galatians 2:20, 1 Corinthians 6:13)

- God(1 Corinthians 6:20)

So according to you, how many "PERSONS" do we have within a true believer?

Is the body of the true believer a temple for THREE PERSONS?

NO!

This is an erroneous view!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Indeed, Jesus said:

“And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever- the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

“A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you”.

John 14:16-20

“…At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you”

It is the same Holy Spirit of God who lives in the believers:

Our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:19).

Moreover, the Bible says:

“And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

Ephesians 2:22

God lives in us by His Holy Spirit, and the Spirit of God can never be a PERSON distinct, separate from Him!

This is the reason why the Bible says that the Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4), not the third PERSON OF THE TRINITY, BUT GOD HIMSELF. GOD IS SIPIRIT (John 4:24).

In the same way the Son, the Man Jesus is an other manifestation of the same God (1 Timothy 3:16), not a second PERSON of the trinity.

The man Jesus is called the Son of God, but He is an other manifestation of the same God. His is not an other person but the same Person, God Who is Spirit has been revealed in a body of flesh in order to save us.

This is the reason why the Bible says that “No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him”.

John 1:18

“In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe”.

Hebrews 1:1-2

Yahweh of the old Testament is Jesus-Christ in the New Testament.

Those who saw God in the Old Testament saw Him in the form of Eternal (Yahweh) and those who want to see Him in New Testament have to see Him in the form of the lord Jesus, as Emmanuel, God with us (Matthew 1 :23).

Truly speaking, THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT REPRESENT ONE PERSON: JESUS CHRIST.

The Son lives in the Father. The son lives in us and the Father lives in us. But we are inhabited by one Spirit, the Holy Spirit, Christ, the Almighty God (2 Corinthians 3: 17, Isaiah 63: 10).

JESUS SAID: “HE WHO SEES ME SEES HIM WHO SENT ME.” (John 12:45)

Indeed, God is Spirit (John 4: 24), consequently, He is invisible (1Timithy 6:16; 1:17; Exodus 33:20).

This is why the Bible declares:

“If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?”

1 John 4: 20

However, in the Old Testament, several people have seen God.
For example:

- Abraham had seen God (Yahweh). He had seen three Men. One of them was the LORD manifested in the flesh. The Almighty GOD took a body of flesh and ate with Abraham (Genesis 18: 1-33). AMEN!

-“Jacob had seen God face to face” (Genesis 32:30) AMEN!

- Moses, Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, had seen the God of Israel. They saw God, and they ate and drank (Exodus 24: 9). AMEN!

- The LORD spoke to Moses face to face, as a Man speaks to his friend (Exodus 33:11). AMEN!

- Gideon had seen the Lord face to face and had conversed with Him (Judges 6: 11-24).

- Manoah said to his wife, “We shall surely die, because we have seen God!” (Judges 13: 22). AMEN!

In conclusion, the same God (YAHWEH) who took a body of flesh, by which He ate and spoke face to face to His servants, formerly, is the same one Who came in the New Testament, bearing the name JESUS. JESUS is the name of the Father through which He saves us today.

Indeed, the Bible doesn’t teach that in Matt 3:16, 17 there were three PERSONS IN ACTION:

THE SON WHO WAS ON EARTH is God manifested in a Body of flesh(1 Timothy 3:16)

THE FATHER WHO WAS IN HEAVEN is God above us(Ephesians 4:5-6)

THE SPIRIT OF GOD DESCENDING LIKE A DOVE: The Spirit of God can not be a Person separate from God.

THERE IS ONE PERSON ON THE THRONE IN HEAVEN?

Was the Heaven empty when God (YAHWEH) took a body of flesh, came down on Earth, ate and spoke face to face to His servants?

Was the Heaven empty when the same God (YAHWEH) took a body of flesh came down on earth in the New Testament, bearing the name JESUS?

No!

"You came down on Mount Sinai; you spoke to them from heaven. You gave them regulations and laws that are just and right, and decrees and commands that are good".

Nehemiah 9:13

As you see, Jesus has a double nature: divine and human:

« What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before!”

John 6:62

Before, He was God (Yahweh). He became flesh, Son of Man in order to save us. He ascended where He was before. Then, He appeared to Saul on the Damascus road:

"And he said, “Who are You, Lord?” Then the Lord said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. It is hard for you to kick against the goads.”

Acts 9:5

In Heaven, there is Jesus alone. There aren’t two “Gods” (the Father and His son) sitting side by side on the throne. No!

Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit:

“Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty”.

2 Corinthians 3:17

Jesus Christ is Lord. Jesus Christ is God and God is Spirit.

“But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the HOLY SPIRIT and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to GOD.”

Acts 5:3-4

Ananias has lied to the Holy Spirit. Ananias has lied to God (Yahweh).
God (Yahweh) is the Holy Spirit: Please compare Isaiah 6:8-9 to Acts 28:25-27. Yahweh, the Holy Spirit spoke rightly through Isaiah the prophet to our fathers. Amen!
The Bible declares that Mary was found with child of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 1:18, Luke 1:35).

This Holy Spirit is Yahweh Himself; this is the reason why the Son (the body of flesh, the man Jesus) Who was born took the name “YAHSHUA” which means: “GOD SAVES”. JAHSHUA is God manifested in the flesh in order to save us.

That Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ (Galatians 4:6, Acts 16:7, Philippians 1:19).
That Spirit of Christ was in the Prophets of the Old Testament testifying beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow:

“ Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven - things which angels desire to look into”.

1 Peter 1:10-12

“THE HOLY SPIRIT SENT FROM HEAVEN”! Amen!

Not two, not three people; but only one person (God) appearing in various ways. Amen!

1)Jesus-Christ comes from the Holy Spirit

Matthew 1: 20; Luke 1: 35.

2) Jesus-Christ is the Holy Spirit

2 Corinthians 3: 17; 1 Peter 1: 10-12

3-Jesus-Christ is God(Yahweh)

-John 7: 29; 8: 42; 16: 30; 17: 8; Colossians 1: 15; 2: 9
- John 1: 1-14, 3: 13 ;16: 15, 5: 17-19 ; 8: 58 ; 10: 30 ; 12: 45 ; 20: 28 ; 14: 5-11.
- Mark 10: 18 ; 12: 29.
-1John 1: 2 ; 5: 20.
- Zechariah 12: 1-10; 14: 3-5.
- Isaiah 9: 5-6; Philippians2: 6-8; Romans 9: 5; 1Timothy 3: 16; Titus 2: 13; revelation 4: 8; Hebrews 1: 8-10; Matthew 1: 23.

4) There is one God (Yahweh). Yahweh is the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ is Yahweh manifested in the flesh (1Timothy 3:16; John 1:14)
Jesus-Christ (YAHSHUA) is the name of God who saves us. It is a marvellous name, carrying hope. It is the name above all the names.
“Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever”.

Hebrews 13:8

By deeply examining the texts of Zechariah and Matthew, we see that it is Yahweh who took a body of flesh called Jesus. He promised to come (Zechariah 2: 10-13).

The prophets of the Old Testament had announced is coming (Isaiah 9: 5-6) and wished to see the Messiah: God manifested in flesh (Isaiah 63: 17-19; Psalm 144: 5-7; 1 Peter 1: 10-12).

They prophesied of the grace that would come.
“To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins.”

Acts 10:43

In addition, hadn't Isaiah the Prophet already prophesied that the way of the LORD was to be prepared (Isaiah 40: 1-5)?
We realize that, this prophecy has been fulfilled in the New Testament by the ministry of John the Baptist (Matthew 3: 1-3, Malachi 3: 1-18).

Jesus was born with the human nature. He was the visible and divine equation (equality) of the invisible God (Yahweh), by taking the form of a bondservant, while becoming similar to the men:

«who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,”

Philippians 2:6-9

Do you understand the Word of God? “…And being found in appearance as a man…”

God (Yahweh) Who is SPIRIT has been found in appearance as a man (1 Timothy 3:16; John 1:14) and took the name YAHSHUA, namely “GOD SAVES”.

Indeed, Jesus-Christ had a double nature: divine and human. When in front of the tomb of Lazarus, He groaned in the spirit, was troubled and wept, He was similar to the men. He proves thus His humanity (John 11: 35).
However, when a few moments afterwards, He took authority on the death, He was fully God (John 11: 43-44).

His Divinity is thus expressed though the resurrection of Lazarus. Jesus, God manifested in flesh is the Resurrection and the Life. Amen!!!
Besides, God alone knows the thoughts of the hearts. In Jesus-Christ, in his body of flesh, God demonstrated this attribute of understanding of the thoughts (2 Chronicles 6: 30; Matthew 9: 4; Jeremiah 17: 10; Luke 24: 38).

This mystery is really great and happy is the one who can seize it! AMEN!

Who is Jesus who could say that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Him? (Luke 24: 44).

Bro. Germain

[Pastor Rodrick Sweet,ThM]

I second that!

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

MEETING ADJOURNED!