Can We Eat Pork, Shellfish, And All Torah Forbidden Foods Under The New Testament?

[James Pierce]

Anyone?

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

OK, we have those who want to live their life by Torah. If you TRULY want to adhere to Torah, then why have these scripture from Torah been ignored?

Genesis 9:3-4 "Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat."

Deuteronomy 12:15-22 "Notwithstanding thou mayest kill and eat flesh in all thy gates, whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, according to the blessing of the LORD thy God which he hath given thee: the unclean and the clean may eat thereof, as of the roebuck, and as of the hart. Only ye shall not eat the blood; ye shall pour it upon the earth as water. Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand: but thou must eat them before the LORD thy God in the place which the LORD thy God shall choose, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite that is within thy gates: and thou shalt rejoice before the LORD thy God in all that thou puttest thine hands unto. Take heed to thyself that thou forsake not the Levite as long as thou livest upon the earth. When the LORD thy God shall enlarge thy border, as he hath promised thee, and thou shalt say, I will eat flesh, because thy soul longeth to eat flesh; thou mayest eat flesh, whatsoever thy soul lusteth after. If the place which the LORD thy God hath chosen to put his name there be too far from thee, then thou shalt kill of thy herd and of thy flock, which the LORD hath given thee, as I have commanded thee, and thou shalt eat in thy gates whatsoever thy soul lusteth after. Even as the roebuck and the hart is eaten, so thou shalt eat them: the unclean and the clean shall eat of them alike."

I could have SWORN that Moses said that the "clean and the unclean" may be eaten and GOD Himself said "all flesh". Is this a thing of my imagination again?

[James Pierce]

Trevor,

To answer Deut 12:15-22, I want to show you something, and show you how you simply manipulate the scripture. Let me post the three highlighted scriptures.

1) Yet at your every desire you shall slaughter and eat meat, according to the blessing of Yah your Elohim which He has given you within any city; the unclean one among you and the clean together shal eat of it, as they would GAZELLE or DEER.

2) Then you shall slaughter from your OXEN and from your SHEEP that Elohim may give you as I have commanded you, then you shall eat within your cities according to desire of your soul.

3) Just as the GAZELLE is eaten and the DEER, so you shall eat it; the unclean one among you and the clean alike shall eat it.

The following verse says that WE CANNOT EAT BLOOD. Meat factories that are not Kosher DO NOT drain the blood out properly, much less slaughter it according to the biblical way of proper food slaughter.

Notice that I put in caps the animals that were used for the clean and unclean to eat. These animals are all Kosher, and you can check Lev 11 for the proof. Notice you do not see pig, vulture, shrimp, or crab there, because YAH forbids it. Deut 8:3 and Yahushua in Matt 4 says man should not live off bread alone, BUT OFF EVERY WORD THAT COMES FROM THE MOUTH OF YAH. If Yah says not to touch pig, then dont touch pig.

Now notice the phrase,"the unclean one among you and the clean together shal eat of it." It would not make sense to say that "unclean and clean" in this situation refers to animals, because it would mean that unclean animals and clean animals shall eat of animals! So, the only fittable meaning is that the unclean ones are them who are NOT Hebrews, and uncircumcised, and the clean ones ARE Hebrews, and circumcised.

Scripture also states in Exodus 12:49 that the non Hebrew and the Hebrew ARE UNDER THE SAME TORAH!

The ONLY foods that are according to the blessing of Yah are the foods that HE made holy. These scriptures are NOT telling us to eat unclean foods. Are you calling Yah bipolar? Are you saying He is schizophrenic? Such blasphemy you speak, Trevor! Repent please!

You swore to the fact that Moses said clean and unclean foods may be eaten? Guess what, Trevor? You have broken the command to not bear false fitness against your fellow man, and you are completely guilty of such. You accuse Moses of false accusations. We are to only eat the foods YAH ORDAINED, and not lust after wicked flesh.

Trevor, ONLY live by the words that comes from the mouth of YAH. Yahushua Himself did, for He said that He only said what His father told Him to say, and did what His father does.

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

I won't repent for a sin I did not commit. There was one scripture that you clearly ignored and it was highlighted:

Genesis 9:3-4 "Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat."

Why didn't you tackle that one? We already know that we are not to eat the blood of the food. Thats both OT and NT laws. Also, I did not swear to any fact, I quoted Moses. If I didn't post it, then I would be called a liar, but now that I did quote, I'm called a man that twisted the scriptures. I didn't do what you did, and that was explain away a verse in the Bible. I merely placed them up there with LITERALLY NO COMMENTARY of my own. It was nothing but pure Bible verses. You are the devil here for the crime that you accused me of. You are the one that committed the crime of baring false witness. Show me where I gave ANY commentary or ANY explanation of the verses. I would LOVE to see it!

You said:

"The ONLY foods that are according to the blessing of Yah are the foods that HE made holy. These scriptures are NOT telling us to eat unclean foods. Are you calling Yah bipolar? Are you saying He is schizophrenic? Such blasphemy you speak, Trevor! Repent please!"

What thing did GOD not create and bless? Name one thing that had no blessing pronounced over it? NAME ONE SINGLE THING!!

It is written:
Genesis 1:20-25 "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good."

All living things were created and blessed by GOD and seen as "good" before His eyes.

It is written:

Genesis 9:3 "Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things."

GOD said clearly that all living things were able to be eaten. It sounds contradictory, but that was GOD's decree. Now the question is ARE YOU saying that GOD is bipolar? Did He contradict Himself? Are you the great man that has found a contradiction in the decree of GOD? Or are you saying that GOD changed His law at some time?

[BruthaPharoah]

brutha trevor ,
1john3:4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Romans 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

BRUTHAPHAROAH-so according to the new testament sin is breaking the law ,paul said he wouldn't of known lusting was wrong except the law said thou shall not covet

Romans 6
1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

are you willing to throw out Matthew 5:17-19 (King James Version)

17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

And your point is.......?

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

Whats really really pathetic is that none of you would even DARE to address all of what I placed up there. The same veil that is placed over the eyes of the Jews are now placed over your own.......

Its a sad thing to watch.

[Hezekiah Ben Israel]

You travel the wide road brother, What do you do to show the Lord you are following him?

Narrow is the road.

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

With all that, you STILL didn't address my comments fully! Still walking the pathetic road I see. This road may seem wide, but its not as wide as you think.

[Pastor Brenda Ellison]

Did you knw that:The Marriage Covenant is the "only" blood covenant we cut today? and that is in the Renewed Covenant text...... That is why satan wants that convenant broken...it is sin in your own members or your own body...If he can get you to use your body or your words against the will of the Father, you walk in a curse.....If you understood vows, purity and freedom...and what is acceptable to Our Heavenly Father you would be comforted no matter what others believe...when we are believing a false teaching we get no peace......when the marriage bed is undefiled and honorable our marriage is blessed ....you will never be the same...WORSHIP is an encounter with YHWH..not traditions of men...The veil is torn from your eyes...a man of stature would carry your fellow brethren to the altar in prayer and Let YHWH speak to their hearts.. ...wisdom, knowledge and understanding went out the window, in your heart and mind....as the Scriptures tell us a false witness would do..remember we give account every thought and word we speak... Your Messiah worth waiting for? Circumcision of the heart...is mark or seal...do you want to be marked for YHWH ....How do you think you will have a name change,like Abraham had?

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

Bro. Watson, tell that to James. According to his theology, circumsion is STILL in place, as is the sacrifice of animals! He's practicing the Coptic(Ethiopic) Orthodox ways.

[James Pierce]

Trevor,

The bible never said circumcision ceased.

[Hezekiah Ben Israel]

Are you not circumcised, Brother Watson?