Polygamy... Is it scriptural, or does Yah forbid such?

[James Pierce]

What speakest thou?

[keith]

No, you did not read my second post. I responded to Chaplain by mistake when I was trying to respond to you. If you did read it I stand corrected.

[keith]

I apologize. Please read my post it was a mouse reply to error.

[keith]

I am sorry my response was not directed to you at all. My response was to be directed to James and trevor and zealot and anyone who states that polygamy/polygyny is acceptable to our Holy Father.

Itr was a simple lack of appropriate mouse clicking. I apologize. I know that you are not a believer in the transgression of polygyny.

[James Pierce]

Keith,

Polygamy is not a transgression of the Torah, otherwise Yah would not have allowed men to take multiple wives, and He would not have given David, Saul's wives. Let's use sound reasoning here, and not personal bias.

[Chaplain Pat Harris]

Bro. Keith:

Since you stated that you clicked on the wrong Reply message, then an apology is not really needed.

Peace in Jesus

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

You do not wish to offend??? You speak as if I'm writing from my home while my 14 wives are cooking, cleaning, and takin' care of the youngin's. Mr. Keith, I didn't look for any loopholes, I looked for solid scripture. I'm a man that wants only one wife, but I'm an Apostle that realizes that my American culture is not the only culture that exists today, or ever existed in history. The scriptures that I placed up there, as well as the cultural understanding of ancient Israel are a little more than most today care to handle. It usually happens like that because people are stubborn. They are raised with one style all their life and have an issue with "culture shock". One great example is the "Christmas Story"!! Many a man have an issue with the truth: CHRIST JESUS was NOT born on Christmas day, but during the Feast of Tabernacles.

But thats not the subject here, is it?

The many scriptures that showed men have two (or more) wives backs up the points that I made. Samuel was born out of a family that was polygamous (two wives) and GOD blessed it; the sons of Israel are sons from polygamy (two wives, two concubines) and GOD blessed it; Moses had two wives and GOD blessed him and defended him against Aaron and Miriam; David received multiple wives from the very had of GOD Himself; Solomon's downfall was not multiple wives, but idolatry. Here is a list of men of the Bible who had multiple wives.

http://rickbeckman.org/men-of-the-bible-with-multiple-wives/

It is interesting to note that though not all of them were blessed (in fact, some were down right cursed by GOD), none of them were punished for polygamy. Also, if you really want to do just to the scriptures and break it down, then go to the original Hebrew and Greek text. Try the Interlinear Bible and/or a Strong's Concordance and see what it really says.In the Old or Newt Testament, there is no punishment for polygamy whatsoever. There isn't even any advise against it in Proverbs.

[keith]

Please show me I said you had multiple wives Trevor. I did not. But you do believe polygamy/polygyny is lawful. That is what I stated. If it offends I do apologize. Proverbs 5: 15-21 implies a one woman man. And wgy do persons ignore the ultimate interpreter of scripture, YAHshua Matthew 19:5?

He knew what our people were doing and spoke against it. Why do hebrews who lived 2000 years ago disagree with you. They were alive before the messiah and interpreted scripture differently than do those who believe as you. The dead Sea Sect. You still have not read my post completely.

[keith]

Trevor I will also say that just because men practiced polygamy does not make it right. Do not put "polygamy/polygyny is righteous" in the mouth of our Father.
He never sanctioned it but spoke against it (see prior post).

Rachel was an idol worshiper. What did The Father say about that?
Moses was a murderer. What was his punishment?
Abraham married his sister. What was his punishment?
David was a murderer and adulterer. Why was he not put to death (times 2)?
Cain was a murderer. Why was he not put to death?

We can not presume to know the entire mind of our Father. I submit: The Bible is like a single grain of sand out of all the beaches of the world compared to the mind of Father YAH.

Please hear.

[keith]

So I see. Those who believe that the Holy Father sanctioned polygamy.polygyny just ignore the irrefutable facts and word that I presented . So be it. I still need to address 2 Sam and levirate marriage. If persons which to ignore Ge 2:24 and Lev 18:18 and other verses (matthew, malachi, job, Isaiah), no problem, guests and others can be informed.

[keith]

2 Sam 12:7-8 is simple. Please open your heart and mind and remove personal feelings and animosity towards a culture be it western eastern northern middle eastern or otherwise.

Was this statement 2Sa 12:7 KJV - And Nathan said to David, Thou [art] the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;

2Sa 12:8 KJV - And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if [that had been] too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.

given to all of Israel or just to David. In other words on Judgement day will a persons answer be "king David was promised multiple wives so I thought I could have multiple wives too". I think the answer is obvious. This statement or promise was for David and David alone. But I am not yielding to ypur point

David was promised multiple wives so having multiple wives is ok. Which of Sauls wives did David marry? Lev 18:17 speaks against marrying a mother and daughter. Saul had a concubine as well, did he marry her?

More importantly read this story:
King Z was at war with King Y. King Z defeated King Y. King Z then takes over the kingdom of King Y. Does not King Z own everything in that King Y had. Yes. He owns his cat, dog, toilet paper, horses, mother, father, grass, wells and wives, to do with as he pleases. A wife to King Y can easily be killed, sold into slavery, etc, etc,.

The point of the prophecy is that everything that Saul owned David now owned.

I am making too many posts I know. But I am trying to respond to the typical polygamy/polygyny believing persons. I did not say practicing polygamists/polygynists. Just those who say its ok because The Most High "never said anything against it".

I still must address levirate marriage.

[James Pierce]

Yah,

Obviously, Yah is not against polygamy, for He gave Saul's wives to David. Polygamy is a desire of a man mainly. If a man does have multiple wives, then Yah gives him instructions on how to deal with multiple wives, and the man's first wife. To be against polygamy is simply a matter of personal belief. To condemn someone for having multiple wives is simply foolish. The fact maybe that the man with many wives can handle that, and you cannot.

Yah giving Adam one wife does not really speak against polygamy. If polygamy was wrong, then Yah would not have given instructions on how to handle many wives. He would not have given David many wives. So, let's be reasonable here. You're making a case against polygamy when it is no need to do so. I speak not from bias, but from what it is in scripture. Keith, you can be a man who simply does not prefer polygamy in your own lifestyle. Do not condemn the next man who does have multiple wives.

[keith]

James. Obviously you have provided no scripture for your belief. I have refuted all personal misinterpretations of scripture provided so far.

I have not and will not condemn anyone for their personal beliefs. Including yours. I do not like for persons to misrepresent what our Holy Father has clearly stated. Judgement and punishment for The Most High and him alone. I do not know what that is.

If you will make a statement as you have, please if you can, provide scripture with explanation. As you well know The Messiah has interpreted what marriage is and adultery. He agrees with The Most High and I agree with both of them.

read: Mat 19:4 KJV - And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made [them] at the beginning made them male and female,

Mat 19:5 KJV - And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

Mat 19:6 KJV - Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Mat 5:27 KJV - Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

Mat 5:28 KJV - But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

I must say how can a hebrew man even add a second wife without violating what The Messiah said here. I believe it is impossible.

Here again what you do in your home is between you and The Most High YAH and your family.



Levirate Marriage: read only two examples in the Bible , but more importantly the law is not mandatory for the man.
Deu 25:5 KJV - If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.

Deu 25:6 KJV - And it shall be, [that] the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother [which is] dead, that his name be not put out of Israel.

Deu 25:7 KJV - And if the man like not to take his brother's wife, then let his brother's wife go up to the gate unto the elders, and say, My husband's brother refuseth to raise up unto his brother a name in Israel, he will not perform the duty of my husband's brother.

Deu 25:8 KJV - Then the elders of his city shall call him, and speak unto him: and [if] he stand [to it], and say, I like not to take her;

Deu 25:9 KJV - Then shall his brother's wife come unto him in the presence of the elders, and loose his shoe from off his foot, and spit in his face, and shall answer and say, So shall it be done unto that man that will not build up his brother's house.

Deu 25:10 KJV - And his name shall be called in Israel, The house of him that hath his shoe loosed.

Why is it not mandatory? Lokk at the story of Ruth and understand why it is not mandatory. Read:
Rth 4:6 KJV - And the kinsman said, I cannot redeem [it] for myself, lest I mar mine own inheritance: redeem thou my right to thyself; for I cannot redeem [it].

Rth 4:7 KJV - Now this [was the manner] in former time in Israel concerning redeeming and concerning changing, for to confirm all things; a man plucked off his shoe, and gave [it] to his neighbour: and this [was] a testimony in Israel.

You may read the entire book but I have placed the appropriate scripture for clarity.

This man already had a family, a wife. He said no. Just as any other hebrew could.

The other scripture relates to Judah and Tamar. There is no indication that Onan was married but he did not wish to fulfill this law (as was his right). His sin was related to saying one thing and doing another ( spilling his seed).

James this response is not specifically directed at you or your home. I just thought I would add a more complete response here as opposed to having multiple responses.


If by my words or actions I have condemned or judged anyone I did not intend to. My only intent was to explain what is lawful as it relates to marriage.

Those of you that are set in your ways please see my references and understand. Let us not continue to practice the lifestyle of the canaanites. Let us not practice eastern culture or western culture or african culture. Let us practice the culture of our Heavenly Father.