Do one must be married in order to be a Pastor? What do you think

[Rev. Daryl Pendergrass]

 1 Timothy 3:2 - A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach.

 

I know some people see the scripture as you must be married in order to be Pastor but yet the Apostle Paul was single.  I  believe it stating if you are married or when you get married must be with one wife, committed to your wife. What do you think

 

 

Thank You and be Bless

 

 

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

Technically speaking, the Torah spoke of the allowance of polygamy. However it was more common of a practice to see monogamy, therefore when speaking, it is the general sense of speaking in the monogamous form, but not excluding polygamy. Take the term "man" for example: when we are speaking of the human race, we say "mankind", "man", or "men". Does this exclude the women? Not at all, for they are automatically recognized within the context of the conversation, UNLESS we are specifically speaking to men only. Likewise, the same can be applied, for before you step into polygamy, you must first have monogamy. No one starts off with 3 wives on their wedding day.

Now, concerning the verse, it spoke of being a faithful husband. Even in polygamy, one can actually step outside of the marriage(s) and be an unfaithful husband. We are famous for using David as being unfaithful with Bathsheba, but few will never point out that he was a polygamous King with wives given to him from GOD. King David He made a marriage covenant with those females, but stepped outside of his marriages to cheat. All of those marriages were holy in GOD's site, for if they weren't then GOD wouldn't have given them to David. If you say anything otherwise, then you are literally saying that GOD gave David relationships that violated His own Word.

1 Tim 3:2 says that we are to be faithful within our marriages, plain and simple. Which is truly viewed as the sin according to the Bible: the polygamous and faithful marriage, or the monogamous, yet unfaithful marriage?

Someday, when we actually step outside of the American Church culture, we'll see that the Kingdom of GOD is a bit different that big hats, bow ties, and "look at your neighbor" preaching.

[Chaplain Pat Harris]

As it looks to me on the issue of monogamy vs polygamy, I shall remain single rather than take the chance on becoming one of the multiple wives to one husband.

That's too much drama for this sister. (smile)

Shalom in Yeshua

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

I feel you on that! I personally would rather be single than fall into a monogamous relationship as well. Its just not for me AT ALL!!

However, I cannot deny that the scriptures allowed for it. My personal preferences or cultural background should not be in place to attempt to dictate the righteous Word of GOD.

[keith]

Its a shame that you can not even promote your misunderstanding and misinterpretation of scripture without contradicting yourself.

You give eight alternate readings of 1 Tim 3:2 all of which are in the singular (wife, marriage). You then say

"1 Tim 3:2 says that we are to be faithful within our marriages.

Not in any one of your quoted scriptures is the word "marriages".
But since you wish to promote polygyny you put the 's' on marriage.

You then make a totally false statement here again to promote polygyny and deny monogamy (Ge2:24, Matt 19:5). The false statement is

"being a well versed Pharisee, the Apostle Paul doesn't promote monogamy either. He knows well enough that the Torah spoke of polygamy, but in modesty.

Here is why is it false. I will let Paul speak for himself:
1Cr 7:2 KJV - Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. This scripture totally excludes polygamy(polygyny) and asserts promote monogamy. Please, see what you have done in error. Paul only spoke monogamy.

I am not trying to attack you but merely pointing out the error of your ways and the scriptural errors you are making. If I have offended I apologize.

Ifyou read all of 1 cor 7 you will see he only talks of marriage as a one man one woman thing.

Lastly if you personally believe in polygyny do not impose your beliefs on Father YAH word. Just keep it in your family. For many people can be influenced in the wrong way by unscriptural ideas.

Peace.

this is not about you but about mongamy, the subject of this topic was whether or not a bishop had to be married or not to lead a congregation, the simple scriptural answer is no, and if he is married he must be married to only one woman.

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

1) I gave eight alternate translations of the scripture not for the sake of proving or disproving polygamy or monogamy, but for the sake of showing that the scripture spoke more-so of being faithful in marriage.

2) I said the word "marriages" for one specific reason: I was referring to us the church as a group. If I refer to my spouse, you and your spouse, and a few other couples, I would use the term "marriages". I was not even thinking about the subject of polygamy!! Quit fishing for something!

3) Just keep it in my family? I'm a monogamous man, Mr. Keith. I never have, nor nor will have multiple wives. You have been blind enough to miss that part.

[Zealot X]

Trevor:

"I personally would rather be single than fall into a monogamous relationship as well. " - Trevor

OH MY! LOL

It's ok. We know what you meant brotha.

Shalom

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

WOW!!! I meant polygamous!! I didn't even see that!!

Thanks..........

[keith]

Where did this occur?

Technically speaking, the Torah spoke of the allowance of polygamy

No need to answer, for it did not allow polygamy(polygyny).

Ge 2:24, Deut 28:54,56

Peace.

I am done do not wish to turn this into a monogamy vs. polygamy thread. I appreciate the opportunity to debate.

[Zealot X]

2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

This verse does not forbid multiple wives. It's just talking about how a man moves on from his parents and starts a new family.

54 So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave: 55 So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates. 56 The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter,

How are you interpreting this against polygny? You are taking verses that mention one wife out of context.

Exodus 21:10 - If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.

This is the law stating what must be done if a man chooses to take another wife. It would not say that you still had to support the first wife and all that if it was wrong to take another. Marriage then was complicated. A lot of wealth changed hands. But sometimes the husband got the raw end of the deal. Maybe his new bride didn't love him or wouldn't have sex with him. There are a number of reasons why men may have wanted another wife. It was not like today where no one pays a dowry or anything like that. It was a different system. The chances of you dating and finding the woman of your dreams was nearly impossible. Plus they married younger which is actually more natural because of puberty. But people get so comfortable with the way we live today that they judge harshly and negatively any other lifestyle, assuming it is wrong. But there was a reason Yah allowed it.

Genesis 4:19 - And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.

Did Yah curse Lamech like he did Cain and said his actions were evil? For all we know, if it wasn't for Lamech these two women (or girls) would have never gotten married and never been able to be fruitful and multiply. If a girl was born for every male it would be different. But we can't make assumptions that everything would have worked out perfectly if they would have only kept to one wife.

One cannot fathom how such a thing like polygny, if wrong, could escape Yah's judgment to the point he never says anything negative about it. He tells his people not to take certain women because of their nationality. He even punishes David for taking a woman who is married. But the fact that he gave him multiple wives should tell you that it isn't and cannot be wrong.

Deuteronomy 21:15 - If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated:

Now.... it may be wrong FOR YOU and wrong based on your situation. Just because something is legal doesn't make it prudent. What may work for one may not work for another. But to say its wrong altogether is ignoring Torah.

Shalom

[keith]

Let us not misinterpret Ge 2:24. also let us not disrespect this mans discussion. I can start a new thread if you so desire.

For your personal beliefs will not stand up against the word.

peace

[Zealot X]

kayn

[Rev. Daryl Pendergrass]

Hello and good evening thanks for your response basically my main question can one be single as a Pastor and if not why not from a bible sense. Again thanks