Which Jesus/Yeshua Christ/YHWH are you following?

[Rev. Kareem A. Christian]

Which Jesus/Yeshua Christ/YHWH are you following?

I was just reading a book entitled, “Jesus of Suburbia” … in this book the author goes to great lengths to make the contrast between the Jesus/Yeshua of Nazareth vs. the Jesus/Yeshua of the Suburbs… I have to agree with the author, Christianity is split on the Person and Work of Jesus/Yeshua Christ/YHWH… many have an distorted view and understanding of Jesus/Yeshua Christ/YHWH of Nazareth… like Judas, many thought/thinke He came to over power the social, economical and political world structures… for many they preach and follow a Jesus/Yeshua that’s similar to a catastrophic Santa Claus… that’s the Jesus/Yeshua of Suburbia… Whereas, the Jesus/Yeshua of Nazareth never promised His followers world riches, fame, social or economic structure… but He did promise His followers a cross, a crown, and eternity with Him...

Which Jesus/Yeshua Christ/YHWH are you teaching, preaching, and following?

[Rev. Kelvin "Besodeiah" Broadus]

I agree. The message of Yeshua has become very twisted in America (and probably some other areas) to try and fit it within the American culture. Did He say He came that we'd have life and life more abundantly? Yes. Did the scripture say that by His stripes we are healed? Yes, this can be evidenced by when Paul was bitten by the snake and everyone around expected him to die but it didn't harm him.

I think though, that the Western church has too often mistaken the abundance with the fulfillment of greed. Yeshua gave us the illustration of the birds in the air and lillies of the field. They sow not but are provided for greatly, so how much more shall God do for us? When we are in a state of want/lust/greed/wrongful desire for things, it is as though we are a sheep trying to run outside of the pasture that the shepherd has given us to graze. The problem in that scenario is that we have begun to look at those things to fulfill us, and tried to twist it to make it appear to have to do with faith. In essence though, it is not. When we humble ourselves and start looking for our fulfillment in Him rather than those things, we realize their insignificance no matter how much or little of them we possess, and that is where we are truly blessed.

[Co-Pastor Chavon Washington]

Thankyou Minister Jones, why does it even matter what we call Him? I personally think the question as with a lot of questions on this forum are asked to stir up emotional strife. Why does it matter that I call Him Jesus and "you" (somebody else) calls him by another name.
I believe that at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow and every tongue must confess that He is Lord. God Bless
Co-Pastor Chavon Washington

[James Pierce]

Minister,

What do you mean by legalism?

[Pastor Pennington]

Dear Sister everyone has a name and that name differentiates one from another. It is important to get that person's name right because it could be an offense to them. How would you like it if someone called you out of your name? When some say's god my question which one are you talking about? For there are many gods.
If this is a personal relationship then we must have a intimacy and you would not marry someone and not know there name. From a historical standpoint there are many errors that we as a people do not see and just accept what we are told and do not pray about it and seek to please the master. I do not know about you but I want to please Him.

[m]

The scripture states the there is no other name given among men whereby we must be saved. I do not beleive it said you can call him any other name. We have learned the name of JESUS from a Greco Roman English mistranslations:

Ies - Greek goddess
Iesous - Greek (son of Zeus)
Iesus - Latin
Jesus - English (Means the horse in Hebrew, but the horse is a vain thing for safety).

The word says that a diligent man (or woman) will search out a matter. The letter "J" was not invented until the 1600's. Read the Word and you will find that the Hebrews (us) had started calling Yahweh by the name of Baal (Lord). He said in His Word, You will no longer call me Baali." He also stated the they (Hebrews) refused to use His name, Yahweh.

Yes, it does matter what we call Him... or at the least out of respect for who He is.

Would it be ok for a child to call you anything...I thing the answer is obviously no.

It is the goal of Satan to confuse and to mislead. Sadly, he has succeed by having people to call on him through the word Lord (Baal)
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We are a people who do not know our heritage..We are Hebrew... thats right the Hebrews of the Bible. Awake from your slumber O Israel.

Sincerely,
M

[N'ZI Amani Germain]

Hi dear sister!

I do respect your faith.

However, let me tell you that TRINITY is not scriptural!

Before the Return of Jesus Christ all who truly belong to the church of Jesus Christ have to return to the original doctrine and practice of the apostles and by faith and obedience being brought in perfect harmony with God and His Word.

God has never been a triune God. Trinity is not scriptural.

You cannot divide the unique God into three coequal and coendless persons(God The Father, God The Son (Jesus) and God The Holy Ghost).
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God is ONE PERSON who manifested Himself of THREE WAYS:

- as the only God and Father of everything who is above all

- as the only God came in a body of flesh to save us

- as the only God in us all by the Holy Ghost.

I do not see three persons but different demonstrations of the same God here.

Ephesians 4: 5-6; 1 Timothy 3:16; Matthew 1:23; John 1: 14; Esaiah 9:5; Esaiah 35:4-6 etc.

The Scripture tells us that God was in Christ When Jesus Christ was here on earth, and in Him dwelled the fullness of the Godhead bodily, all the great powers of God was in His Son, Christ Jesus. For the reconciling the world to Himself. Amen!

I invite you to consult the web sites below and to order the booklet entitiled "the godhead of Jesus".

-www.inthedaysofthevoice.com
-www.freie-volksmission.de/sprache/englisch/index.php
-www.branham.org

You can also search and read my message entitled "YAHSHUA THE MESSIAH (JESUS) IS THE ONE TRUE GOD, YAHWEH ALMIGHTY, THE LORD OF THE OLD TESTAMENT, THE HEAVENLY FATHER! "

Blessings,

Bro. Germain

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[HOPE - Psalm 43:5]

Question... there is always great debate over whether or not The Father and Son are God....

Where does the Holy Spirit fit into this great trinitarian debate???

[shemuel]

It serve a greater purpose for us as believer to understand the age and orgin of the letter (J) without religion or ,loyalty to what has been passed down to you.Because with just a little time in study, and research of the languages and alphabet. The name most people think is the messiah,s name is very easy to see that this cannot be true. I understand the loyalty to people we love. But our loyalty and love for the truth has to be greater. Scripture teaches that the only thing that set us free is the truth.

[Pastor Pennington]

Is this based off of Scripture or something you read? Because Scripture does not teach the trinity. If so please give us scripture to show us, please.

[N'ZI Amani Germain]

Brother Moreh!

Why does the name JESUS CHRIST disturb you so much?

Please, tell me, are you a grandson of those who commanded the Disciples not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus(Acts 4:18)? I wonder!

The issue concerning that name has already been discussed.

I did post the article below. Please, read it again and let down that trivial and boring debate about the name of the Lord Jesus-Christ.


"1)The Hebrew name for Jesus is Yeshua, a name found 27 times in the Hebrew Bible, so we know exactly what his name was. (The name is accented on the second syllable: ye-SHU-a). Yeshua is short for Yehoshua (= Joshua), which means Yahweh is salvation. The first trace of the name is found in connection with Joshua, the son of Nun, Moses’ assistant. Originally his name was Hoshea (Num. 13:8). The name Hoshea is derived from the hiphil stem of the Hebrew verb "yasha" [yod, shin, ayin] (BDB, 446; Gesenius, 435), which means "he saves, delivers." So the name Hoshea means "salvation" or "he saves, delivers." Moses changed his name to Hebrew "Yehoshua" [English: Joshua]:

"These are the names of the men Moses sent to explore the land. (Moses gave Hoshea son of Nun the name Joshua.)" Numbers 13:16

Moses coined this name by merging the name Hoshea with the prefix abbreviation "Yeho" of the divine name "YHWH" changing the meaning to "YHWH is salvation" or "YHWH saves, delivers" (BDB, 221; Gesenius, 386).

The name Yeshua ("Jeshua" in English translations), as we just noted, is the abbreviated form of Yehoshua ("Joshua") (BDB, 221; Gesenius, 433). We know that from the books of Ezra and Nehemiah:

"And all the assembly of those who had returned from the captivity made booths and lived in the booths, for from the days of Jeshua the son of Nun to that day the people of Israel had not done so. And there was very great rejoicing." Nehemiah 8:17 ESV

There was a high priest who was also named Jeshua:

"Then arose Jeshua the son of Jozadak, with his fellow priests, and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel with his kinsmen, and they built the altar of the God of Israel, to offer burnt offerings on it, as it is written in the Law of Moses the man of God." Ezra 3:2

This same high priest is called Yehoshua ("Joshua") in Zechariah 3 and 6, affirming that the name Yeshua is the abbreviation of this very same name.

2) One must understand what the name Yeshua meant in the first century AD, and the NT tells us that. Because Yeshua is the short form of a name meaning "Yahweh is salvation," it is highly appropriate that this is the name of the Savior of the world, as Matthew 1:21 attests. In that text the angel of the Lord explained its meaning:

"She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus (Iesoun), because he will save his people from their sins."

Hence, God himself explained through his angel that Jesus’ name means "Savior," just as the NT emphatically indicates in many places:

"Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord." Luke 2:11

"They said to the woman, ‘We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world." John 4:42

"God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might give repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel." Acts 5:31

"From this man’s descendants God has brought to Israel the Savior Jesus, as he promised." Acts 13:23

"For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior." Ephesians 5:23

"But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ," Philippians 3:20

"but it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel." 2 Timothy 1:10

"and at his appointed season he brought his word to light through the preaching entrusted to me by the command of God our Savior, To Titus, my true son in our common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior." Titus 1:3-4

"and not to steal from them, but to show that they can be fully trusted, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive. For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. It teaches us to say ‘No’ to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good." Titus 2:10-14

"But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life." Titus 3:4-7

"Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours… and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." 2 Peter 1:1, 11

"If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning." 2 Peter 2:20

"But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen." 2 Peter 3:18

"And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world." 1 John 4:14

As Messianic Jewish commentator Dr. David H. Stern says in reference to Matthew 1:21:

This verse is an example of a "semitism" (an allusion to Hebrew or Aramaic) brought over literally into the Greek text. It provides strong evidence in favor of the theory that there was a Hebrew or Aramaic oral or written tradition behind the extant Greek manuscripts, for only in Hebrew or Aramaic does the explanation here of Yeshua’s name make any sense; in Greek (or English) it explains nothing.

The Hebrew word for "he will save" is "yoshia‘," which has the same Hebrew root (yud-shin-‘ayin) as the name Yeshua (yud-shin-vav-‘ayin). Thus the Messiah’s name is explained on the basis of what he will do. Etymologically the name Yeshua is a contraction of the Hebrew name Y’hoshua (English "Joshua"), which means "YHVH saves." It is also the masculine form of the Hebrew word "yeshu‘ah," which means "salvation." …

According to Professors David Flusser and Shmuel Safrai, Orthodox Jews, "Yeshu" was how the name "Yeshua" was pronounced by Galilean Jews in the first century. We know from 26:73 below that Jews of Galil had a different dialect than those of Judea. According to Flusser (Jewish Sources in Early Christianity, p. 15) Galileans did not pronounce the Hebrew letter ‘ayin at the end of a word, much as Cockneys drop "h" at the beginning. That is, instead of saying "Ye-shoo-ah" they said "Yeh-shoo." Undoubtedly some people began spelling the name according to this pronunciation. (David H. Stern, Jewish New Testament Commentary [Clarksville, Maryland; Jewish New Testament Publications, 1996], pp. 4-5)

MENJ basically corroborates this when he writes:

Another name involving this root is "Jeshua`" (Joshua), which means ‘God + save’, just like many other Hebrew names, such as "Yehonatan" - ‘God gave’, "Yehoshafat" - ‘God judged’. In other words, "Yeshua`" is clearly related to a group of words meaning ’save’.

So Jeshua, which is the very same word Yeshua ("Jesus"), means ‘God + save’, or more precisely "Yahweh saves"!

3) There is additional evidence from the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible (Septuagint, LXX) confirming that this is the precise meaning of Jesus’ name. The Septuagint renders the Hebrew Yehoshua and Yeshua as Iesous, the Greek form of Jesus’ name:

"These are the names of the men whom Moses sent to spy out the land; and Moses called Ause [Hoshea] the son of Naue, Joshua (Iesoun)." Numbers 13:16 Brenton’s LXX

"… for the children of Israel had not done so from the days of Joshua (Iesou) the son of Naue until that day: and there was great joy." Nehemiah 8:17 Brenton’s

"Then stood up Jesus (Iesous) the son of Josedec, and his brethren the priests…" Ezra 3:2 Brenton’s

Lest MENJ complain about our appeal to the Septuagint we only need to remind him of his own praise of it:

A) First, we would like to introduce to the reader the Septuagint, which shall be the main reference in this discussion other than the Bible itself. Let us delve into the explanation about the Septuagint:. The word "Septuagint" is taken from the Latin word septuaginta which means "70". Therefore, this book is also known as "LXX", which simply means "70". We wish refer to The Hutchinson Educational Encyclopedia (HEE) about the Septuagint:

Septuagint n. a Greek version of the Old Testament including the Apocrypha (c.3rd cent. Before Christ), so called because, according to tradition, about 70 persons were employed on the translation. [Latin: septuaginta 70]

From the citation above, we can conclude that:

1) Septuagint is a Greek version of the Old Testament.

2) It (Septuagint) has already existed three centuries before Christ was born, and therefore it is authentic.

The question arises, why are we focusing our attention on the LXX in our discussion?

The answer is because it would make it easier for us to compare the original phrase of the relevant verses (like John 8:58 and Exodus 3:14) in Greek, since both the New Testament and LXX (Septuagint) were written in Greek. (http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/Bible/Commentary/i-am.htm; link is now defunct and article hasn’t been posted on the new version of MENJ’s site)

Besides, even Gesenius himself admitted that Joshua was rendered as Iesous in Greek.

In fact, the Apocryphal writing Sirach explicitly says that the name Joshua, Iesous, means one who saves:

"Joshua (Iesous) the son of Nun was mighty in war, and was the successor of Moses in prophesying. He became, in accordance with his name, a GREAT SAVIOR of God's elect," Sirach 46:1

4) There is another Hebrew word, y'shua, accented on the last syllable (y'-shu-A), and it means "salvation, deliverance." That is NOT the name of Jesus, but comes from the same root for salvation.

MENJ concludes with the following erroneous assertion:

If Jesus’ name was indeed, "Yeshua`" as Christians have claimed with no real evidence, it would only support the other theory that Jesus(P) was not resurrected but survived the crucifixion as God Almighty says in the Qur’an:

"That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not" [4:157]

RESPONSE:

MENJ makes the great mistake of trying to use the meaning of a name to disprove a verifiable historical fact--Jesus did die on the cross, and he arose from the dead. Apart from his blunder on the meaning of the name, what kind of scholarship is MENJ employing? What laws of logic or sound reasoning can justify such sophistry? Maybe this is the logic of the Quran or Allah, and MENJ is giving us a first hand look at what Islamic logic 101 is like?

More importantly, even if we were to argue that Jesus’ name doesn’t mean Savior, but refers to him being saved, this still doesn’t deny his death and resurrection. The Bible says that God did save Jesus from death, yet not by preventing him from going to the Cross but by raising him back to life:

"During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him." Hebrews 5:7-9

"But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone. In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the author of their salvation perfect through suffering. Both the one who makes men holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers. He says, ‘I will declare your name to my brothers; in the presence of the congregation I will sing your praises.’ And again, ‘I will put my trust in him.’ And again he says, ‘Here am I, and the children God has given me.’ Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death." Hebrews 2:9-15

"May the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep, equip you with everything good for doing his will, and may he work in us what is pleasing to him, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." Hebrews 13:20-21

"Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. This man was handed over to you by God’s set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him." Acts 2:22-24

Amen! We boldly and joyfully confess that Jesus did indeed die on the Cross for unworthy sinners and arose on the third day, thereby destroying Satan, sin, and death, ushering in glorious immortality. And for that we love and praise you for ever and ever, O Immortal and Sovereign King of the ages. Come Lord Jesus, come!

All scriptural quotations taken from the New International Version (NIV) of the Holy Bible, unless stated otherwise..."

Blessings,

Bro. Germain

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[m]

You have spoken correctly, Yahsua came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Keep up the good work my brother. The Word says that Yahweh will send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie, LORD, JESUS ect. By not calling on the right name,... poople are not saved. The word also stated in Deuteronomy that Yah's people would be scattered throughout the Earth and they would worship other gods, wood and stone.

Additionally, most people do not know that the root word for church is "CIRCUS."

Please provide me directions so I can visit you and your assembly.

M

[Pastor Pennington]

I do not believe they are afraid of his name. I believe they just deny him as the messiah. Big difference.