The Trinity is Bibical

[Rev. Derek Joshua E'Lon]

Is The Trinity Biblical?
From the Christian Research Institute
www.equip.org
The Trinity is a basic doctrine of orthodox Christianity. Yet the word "Trinity" is not found anywhere in the Bible. Is the doctrine of the Trinity really biblical?
The doctrine of the Trinity says that there is one All Mighty One (God) who exists eternally as three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I can assure you that the elements of this doctrine are all taken directly from the Bible.
The first plank of the Trinitarian platform is that there is only one All Mighty One (God). The Bible could not be more explicit on this point, which it states explicitly about two dozen times. In Isaiah 44:8 Yahweh (The LORD) says that even He does not know of any other (mighty ones)gods!
Yahshua (Jesus) often spoke of the All Mighty One (God) as His Father, and the apostles frequently spoke of "the Almighty One (God) the Father." But the New Testament also insists that Yahshua (Jesus) is The Almighty One (God). For example, Thomas acknowledged Yahshua (Jesus) as, "My Lord(master) and my Almighty One (God)" (John 20:28), and both Peter and Paul spoke of Yahshua (Jesus) as "our All Mighty One (God) and Savior" (2 Pet. 1:1; Tit. 2:13). Yet the New Testament also makes the distinction between the Father and the Son as two very different persons. In fact they tell us that they love one another, speak to each other, and seek to glorify each other (e.g., John 17: 1-26).
The Old Testament refers often to the Holy Spirit as The Almighty One (God) at work in the world, without distinction from the Father. But Yahshua (Jesus) in John 14 to 16 explained that this Holy Spirit would be sent by the Father at the Messiah’s (Christ's) request. The Holy Spirit would teach and guide the disciples, not speaking on His own initiative, but speaking on the Messiah’s 9Christ's) behalf and glorifying The messiah (Christ). Thus, the Holy Spirit is revealed by The Messiah (Christ) to be a third person distinct from the Father and distinct from the Son.
In short, the doctrine of the Trinity is completely and totally biblical, and it is essential that all the Followers of the Messiah Yahshua (Christians) give assent to this doctrine.

[Della Morton]

THE GODHEAD ACCORDING TO JESUS CHRIST

John 14:1
Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

Comment:
Believing in “me” (Jesus) is the same as believing in “God”. God and Jesus are the same “One”. Numerical One Not The TRINITY Stating Three separate persons in Unity.Remember When One states the Term Person They are talking about 3 separate WILLS MINDS AND PERSONALITIES YET ONE in unity? (*read statement at the bottom)SOUNDS LIKE 3 Gods to Me!!!!

John 14:7
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Comment:
To know Jesus (“me”) is to know the “Father”; therefore, the two are the same (One). The disciples were specifically told that they knew the Father and have seen the Father because they knew and had seen Jesus (“me”). The “Father” and “me” are the same “One”.


John 14:9
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Comment:
Again, Jesus states that anyone “that hath seen me hath seen the Father.” Therefore, “me” (Jesus) and the Father are One and the same.


In John 14, Jesus describes the “Godhead” using terms of “God, I, Me, Father, Comforter, Son, Spirit of truth, Holy Ghost, and Holy Spirit”:

John 14:10
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Comment:
“I” (Jesus) is in the Father and the Father is in “me“ (Jesus). Also, the “words” “I” (Jesus) speak are “of the Father” who does the “works”. Here, “words” and “works” are equated.

This is likely to be referring to Genesis 1:3-29 where “God said...”and the “works” (creation) were done along with reference to John 1:1-3 where “... the Word was with God and the Word was God.”


John 14:11
Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.

Comment:
Another tie-in of “words” and “works” being equated, and where “I” (Jesus) is in the Father and the Father in “me” (Jesus).


John 14:16, 17
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither know him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Comment:
Jesus told the disciples that the “Comforter” and the “Spirit of truth” are the same. He also stated that the Comforter “dwelleth with you” which would have to be a reference to Jesus who “dwelleth with you” at the time this was spoken. That ties the “Comforter” and Jesus as being One and the same. Jesus also said the “Comforter” “shall be in you” to show that
He (Jesus -- the Comforter) will dwell in them.

So far, we have Jesus, God the Father being One, as well as Jesus, the Comforter, and the Spirit of truth being the same (One).


John 14:18
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Comment:
The word “comfortless” comes from “orphanos” meaning: “bereaved, parentless, comfortless, fatherless” and is more accurately (and usually) translated as “orphans”. Jesus told the disciples “I” (Jesus) will not leave the disciples as orphans: i.e. Jesus would not leave them Fatherless and goes on to state He (Jesus - Father) would come to them. So, Jesus and the Father are the same (One).

In previous Scripture (verse 14:17), the Comforter and Jesus are the same (One). So, Jesus, the Father, and the Comforter are the same (One).


John 14:23
... and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Comment:
The uses of “we” and “our” show plurality and the context indicates that Jesus and the Father are the same “One” doing the same things.


John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things ...

Comment:
Tied in with verses 14:16 & 17, this defines the “Comforter”, the “Spirit of truth” and the “Holy Ghost” (Holy Spirit) as One and the same NOT BEING A THIRD SEPARATE PERSON IN THE SO "CALLED TRINITY MAKING THEM GODS"


John 15:26
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Comment:
Here, Jesus states “... I will send unto you ... “. John 14:26 states “... the Father will send ...”. Again, Jesus and the Father are shown to be the same One doing the same things.


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SUMMARY COMMENT:
The above Scripture show that Jesus, the Father, the Comforter, the Spirit of truth and the Holy Spirit are ONE and the same. This is plainly stated in :

Isa 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Trinitarians on Here Trevors NOTATION said that:
Therefore, when saying JESUS is the FATHER, you re in error because HE Himself said HE was sent by the FATHER.*meaning Jesus and the father are not one in the same. When saying The HOLY SPIRIT is the FATHER or JESUS, you are in error because though the HOLY GHOST proceeds from the FATHER,(*Doctrine of the trinity Not Bible) He is not the FATHER. They are of the same essence, but not the same "person" if you will.(*meaning Separate )Both the Son and the HOLY SPIRIT submitted to the FATHER simply because they are not the FATHER.(*More trinity Teachings)

The little *( ) I put My Statement added to show His False Doctrine of the Trinity. Read The above scriptures again for clarity.YOU WILL SEE THE DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY DOESN'T LINE UP WITH THE WORD OF GOD. Don't Let It Be SAID ABOUT YOU THAT YOU WERE FIGHTING AGAINST THE VERY WORD OF GOD. Traditions of Men THE WORD WARNS US ABOUT IN:Colossians 2:8-9 (King James Version)

8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
In Who? Jesus Christ! He's all we Need. THE FULLNESS of the Godhead IS ALL IN HIM!
GOD BLESS YOU All. Love In Christ ,Della Morton

[Caral]

1 x 1 x 1 = 1 AMEN!!!!

WOW! Love it, love it!

Brother you are on form today!!

[N'ZI Amani Germain]

Dear Caral, please do not cry for victory because your "Hero" has a serious problem to solve for the time being. Please keep quiet, for I'm sure Anthony Watson is still thinking.

Anthony, I'm still waiting for your answer. Please do not let that young woman distract you for the exercise below is too difficult:

Anthony, can trinitarians rely on you?

Please be sincere and answer this question with biblical references:

How can three Gods make THREE PERSONS but ONE GOD?

Thanks in advance!

Bro. Germain

[Caral]

Bro. Germain
You ask.
How can three Gods make THREE PERSONS but ONE GOD?

This is simples.

It cannot. There are not three gods. There is only One God.

[Della Morton]

Trevor Not Every Body Wants to gets Baptized in Water In The Name Of Jesus Christ For The remission Of sins. For it Says HE that Believes will be baptized. Mark 16:16
And those that don't believe Naturally won't preach it or Ever be Baptized.
Referring back to the Scripture stated earlier, Ephesians 4:5 states…One Lord, one faith, one baptism…when the apostle wrote this letter, how many different baptisms do you think he had in mind? Here then is another doctrine that mainstream theology has caused much confusion with. Diverse church denominations teach sprinkling, dipping, submerging, infant baptisms, even multiple baptisms. Some teach that it is symbolic, some teach it is not important at all. How do we take something so simple and make it so difficult? The Word of God is true and as we study baptism, truth will be revealed.

Jesus Christ gave us a great commission in Matthew 28: 19-20… Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. We have to ask ourselves a question: Did Jesus merely want us to repeat His words here or did He actually want us to carry out this mission by baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost? If a candidate for baptism has not received the revelation of Jesus Christ, he or she (in most cases), will not be baptized in His name. The fact of the matter is found in the Acts of the Apostles where the commission was carried out exactly as Jesus Christ intended it to be.

We will find in the second chapter of Acts, the apostle Peter preaching his first message concerning the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. Immediately after the message, we’ll pick up on this in Acts 2:37-39…Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. First of all, notice the question was posed to Peter and all the rest of the apostles. This is significant because it puts all in one accord, of the same mind, on the same page. Also notice that they were moved to the point of asking what they needed to do. Peter responded…Repent (see Luke 13:3&5), and be baptized in the name (see Matthew 28:19) of Jesus Christ, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Our part is two-fold; repent and be baptized for remission of sin, then Jesus Christ is bound by His word to fill us with His Spirit for this is His promise to us. A promise from God who cannot lie, for this would be contrary to His nature. Peter did not proclaim to the people to be baptized by simply repeating the words “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.” Peter told them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ because the name of Jesus fulfills or carries out that commission. Any one of them could have jumped right in there and said, “Now hold on there just a minute Peter, Jesus told us to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost?” Instead, they all knew that Peter was stating the truth concerning the name of Jesus Christ. For those who teach that the baptism of the Holy Ghost is in addition to or something more than the truth in the scripture we have just read, let's visit with the apostle Paul in Acts 19:1-5…And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were you baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him that should come after him, that is on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. We would like to point out here that the apostle Paul was called to be an apostle long after Peters’ first message, yet he still baptized the disciples in the name of Jesus Christ. Also, after learning these disciples had not even so much as heard about the Holy Ghost, he questions as to how they were baptized. Paul did not tell them they needed to be baptized with the Holy Ghost in addition to being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. They needed only to be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. In Acts 8:16…they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. In Acts 10:48…he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Since the Lord Jesus gave the commission and was raised up into glory, Peter (and the rest of the apostles), and later, Paul, baptized the Jews, Samaritans, and the Gentiles in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. In every account of water baptism in the Acts of the Apostles, the words “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost”, are not found. Baptism was always in the name of Jesus. Ultimately, Trinitarian disciples have to produce a name for the Father, a name for the Son, and another for the Holy Ghost; three different names for the three different persons in their godhead. Again, referring back to Matthew 28:19 Jesus said to baptize in the name (singular) not names (plural) of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one (see Deut. 6:4) and His name is Jesus.

Paul wrote in Romans 6:3…Know ye not, that so many of us were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? When one is baptized according to the truth of the scripture, he or she is baptized into Jesus Christ and into His death. On the flip side of that coin, when one is baptized outside the truth of the scripture, he or she is baptized into apostasy and into apostasy’s death. The fact of the matter is, those that teach baptism outside of the truth of the scripture, claim that baptism is simply an ordinance and actually has no significance to one’s relationship with God. From the mouth of our Lord Jesus Christ let us read in Mark 16:16 …He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. When Jesus told Nicodemas (see John 3:3) ye must be born again, we have no problem believing that we must be born again. When Jesus said (see Luke 13:3,5) repent or perish, we have no problem believing that we must repent. But, when Jesus says (see Mark 16:16 ) he that believes and is baptized shall be saved, all of a sudden there is a problem with the baptismal part. Let us ask ourselves a question: As we are standing in judgement before our Lord Jesus Christ and He asks us why we did not think baptism was necessary, and He quotes Mark 16:16 out of His book, how are we going to respond to that? All of a sudden we are really going to have a huge problem as we stand in judgement all because we have a little problem with it now.

What significance is baptism to a believer? In Genesis 17:9-11…And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin: and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. While Paul wrote in Colossians 2:10-13…And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein ye are also risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickenedtogether with him, having forgiven you all trespasses. Baptism is the New Testament “token covenant”. It is the circumcision made without hands that Christ performs in our lives that now identifies us a seed of Abraham. Baptism buries our sin, and quickens us (makes us alive) together with Him. It is here that the Spirit of God raises us from the dead. The prophet wrote in Ezekiel 36:25-27…Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stoney heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye will keep my judgements, and do them. Peter instructed the Jews, in Acts 2:38 …Repent, and be baptized, every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Paul goes into a little more in depth as he addresses baptism to the saints at Rome in Romans 6:3-6…Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we should walk in the newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection. Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henchforth we should not serve sin. Paul said it short and simple in II Corinthians 5:17…Therefore if any man be in Christ (baptized into Jesus), he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold all things are become new. It is evident that baptism cleanses, buries our old sin nature, removes our heart of stone, gives us a heart of flesh, gives us a new spirit, raises us to a newness of life and seals our new covenant with the circumcision made without hands by the operation of God. Why then is baptism seemingly so unimportant in this era of the New Testament Church when the fact of the matter is…it ought to be.

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

Lets answer some questions here.
Germain, you said:

"Can someone explain me the verse 17 of John Chapter 14?

"Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you".

"...AND SHALL BE IN YOU..."?

Besides, Brother Paul said:

"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me"- Galatians 2:20

"...BUT CHRIST LIVES IN ME..."

Do the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ represent TWO PERSONS who live in each believer? Why does the Bible say that "...whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit"(1 Corinthians 6:17)? Which of the two equations below is in line with the Holy Scriptures? Please, justify your answer!

1- Jesus Christ + Holy Spirit = TWO PERSONS

2- Jesus Christ+ Holy Spirit= ONE PERSON

Besides, we all agree that there is ONE GOD. But the Question lies in the fact that Trinitarians fail to explain clearly the following theory:

"THREE PERSONS IN GOD"

A -Father = one Person
The Son = one Person
Holy Spirit = one person

B-The Father is not the Son
The Son is not the Father

The Father is not the Holy Spirit
The Holy Spirit is not the Father

The Son is not the Holy Spirit
The Holy Spirit is not the Son


C- The Father is God + the Holy Spirit is God + the Son is God = THREE PERSONS =
ONE God

D- One God + One God+ One God = THREE PERSONS = ONE God

Can someone explain me why three Gods make THREE PERSONS but ONE GOD?"


MY RESPONSE:
A good question, but not good enough to claim a Oneness doctrine! To answer to the scriptures you placed up there:

John 14:17 does not say that the HOLY SPIRIT was JESUS. He said that the HOLY GHOST dwelled with them, but now after JESUS ascends, will dwell in them. Before the coming of Christ, many Prophets moved by the HOLY SPIRIT who always was in the world. It was Apostle Peter that said holy men wrote scripture as they were inspired by the HOLY SPIRIT. Once Pentecost came the HOLY SPIRIT took residence once more within the people of GOD.

Galatians 2:20 (as best as I can interpret it) coincides with the prayer that JESUS prayed to the FATHER in John 17. We are now one in unity with "Christ" by our faith. The Wikipedia Dictionary defines it as:

"In general theological usage, the term "Christ" is largely founded on the concept of the divine presence of God within each and all human beings. In Christian theological contexts, the term "Christ" is more specialized, referring to this same presence of God (cf. Holy Spirit)"

In other words, its yet not I but the very presence of GOD living in me now. If Paul mean JESUS, then why didn't he actually just say yet not I but JESUS living in me? No where in the Bible did it indicate that JESUS lived in us now, but scripture after scripture shows that HE is at the right hand of the FATHER and the HOLY GHOST lives within us.

When you say JESUS is the expressed image (the Greek word Icon) of GOD, you are saying that HE clearly represents exactly what the FATHER would look like. That doesn't mean that HE is the FATHER. If that were true, then you would be saying that the FATHER was crucified on the cross, and the Bible doesn't say that at all. You as a Oneness say "One GOD in three manifestations". We say "One GOD in three persons". The word manifestations mean:

1 a : the act, process, or an instance of manifesting b (1) : something that manifests or is manifest (2) : a perceptible, outward, or visible expression c : one of the forms in which an individual is manifested d : an occult phenomenon; specifically : materialization
2 : a public demonstration of power and purpose

The word Manifest means:

1 : readily perceived by the senses and especially by the sight
2 : easily understood or recognized by the mind : obvious

The word person means:

* Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French persone, from Latin persona actor's mask, character in a play, person, probably from Etruscan phersu mask, from Greek prosōpa, plural of prosōpon face, mask — more at prosopopoeia
* Date: 13th century

1 : human, individual —sometimes used in combination especially by those who prefer to avoid man in compounds applicable to both sexes
2 : a character or part in or as if in a play : guise
3 a : one of the three modes of being in the Trinitarian Godhead as understood by Christians b : the unitary personality of Christ that unites the divine and human natures
4 a archaic : bodily appearance b : the body of a human being; also : the body and clothing

Most Oneness totally ignore the Nicean Creed long before they ever tried to understand it. It says:

"We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father [the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God], Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;"

Therefore, when saying JESUS is the FATHER, you re in error because HE Himself said HE was sent by the FATHER. When saying The HOLY SPIRIT is the FATHER or JESUS, you are in error because though the HOLY GHOST proceeds from the FATHER, He is not the FATHER. They are of the same essence, but not the same "person" if you will. Both the Son and the HOLY SPIRIT submitted to the FATHER simply because they are not the FATHER.

I hope I was clear with my answers. If not, question me again, and I'll try again.....

[Caral]

I know this was written for Bro. Germain, but it was so very, very clear Brother, that all will be able to see. Thank you so much.

P.S. I love Gal 2:20 is my favourite scripture.

[Della Morton]

OK Trevor If The Term Persons Means character Then GOD WOULD BE THREE Separate Characters right?

So if someone asks how many persons live at your House YOUR REPLY WOULD be HOW MANY CHARACTERS in a play Live There! You GOT IT ! WHAT Character are You? Donald Duck?LOL!! Does Daffy live there too? This whole thing is a game to you!


God is Not a MOCKERY IN A PLAY!
TRY AGAIN TREVOR.
LOVE IN CHRIST DELLA

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

The only one that made a joke here was you, Della.

[Della Morton]

TREVOR YOU SAID,

YOUR STATEMENT>Most Oneness totally ignore the Nicean Creed long before they ever tried to understand it. It says:

"We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father [the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God], Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;"

The Problem is you HAVE THREE SEPARATE PERSONS WHO YOU CLAIM ARE EACH SEPARATE AND DISTINCTIVE YET ONE IN UNITY? YET DENY THAT JESUS IS THE FATHER.
ACCORDING TO YOUR DOCTRINE YOU MAKE THREE INTO ONE YET SEPARATE THE THREE BY SAYING BUT THEY ARE NOT EACH OTHER! SOUNDS LIKE THREE SEPARATE GODS TO ME!

THE TRINITARIAN DOCTRINE IS FALSE DOCTRINE! For More On THIS Read my discussion on Begotten Son below.

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

Is there a problem with three being in perfect unity? Is that foreign to you?

[Archbishop Trevor 'Elihu' Greene]

We of the Trinitarian belief do not believe that there are three gods, but one GOD. We never stated that but you did, saying that we said such. Three gods is a heresy. One GOD however is true and eternal. When we say three persons understand that the Son was begotten, not created. He wasn't begotten in the flesh, because HE existed eternally before Mary gave birth to Him in time. JESUS (YHWH Our Savior) and the HOLY SPIRIT (the Spirit of YHWH) have the same origin: the FATHER.

When Elohim (a plural word, mind you) said let Us make man in Our image after Our likeness, GOD gave the key to understanding who HE is. Study the birth of man. When a child is conceived, the sperm meets egg and a single celled organism is formed. The single cell then does something that baffles scientists to this day: it multiplies, forming a whole human being. If you want a good example of the Trinity in the O.T., how about looking at the from The Flood: Shem Ham and Japheth. Who was older, who was born when? The missing and ignored fact is that the three brothers were triplets. All others before Noah begot their sons and daughters at different times, but Noah had his boys all in that same year, indicating they were triplets. If you take note at this scripture, you will see for yourself:

"And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth." - Genesis 5:32

QUESTION: How are Triplets formed? Ahh the plot thickens!! Triplets are formed by the same process that the single baby is formed, only at undefined some point the single celled organism splits into three identical organisms. The one is now three. All have the same DNA because all are literally from the same cell. This means that they have:

-potentially the same looks
-potentially the same genetic strengths
-potentially the same weaknesses

What makes them different:

-individual minds
-individual finger prints

Whats my point? I'm not saying that the FATHER, JESUS, and the HOLY SPIRIT are triplets! They aren't brothers at all. The latter two were begotten from the FATHER like the two cells of the triplets were begotten from the original single cell. Many often try to say that GOD is like Water: solid liquid and gas, but thats false because JESUS never stopped being the Begotten Son, nor did the FATHER ever stop being the FATHER. The LORD JESUS is called the Logos, and that means that JESUS is the "hypothesis, thought, grounds for belief or action thought, speech, account, meaning, reason, proportion, principle, standard, logic" of GOD the FATHER. This does not mean that JESUS IS the FATHER, but that HE is the very mind of GOD expressed. The Son is literally the Mind of GOD. If you doubt me, will you doubt Paul also? He said this about JESUS:

1st Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God."

1st Corinthians 1:30 "But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:"

In the theology of the Eastern Orthodox Church wisdom is understood as the Divine Logos who became incarnate as Jesus Christ. This is exactly what Apostle Paul was saying. He was GOD's Mind and Wisdom incarnate. The Word of GOD then says this:


Proverbs 8:12-36 "I Wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions. The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate. Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength. By me kings reign, and princes decree justice. By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth. I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me. Riches and honour are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness. My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver. I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment: that I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures. The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: when he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: when he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men. Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways. Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not. Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors. For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD. But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death."

John 1:1-2 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God."

John 1:14 "And the Word (the LOGOS, the wisdom of GOD, the Mind of GOD) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.) became flesh"

John 16:27-28 "For the Father Himself loveth you, because ye have loved Me, and have believed that I came out from God. I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father."

Now for the HOLY GHOST. He is personal and also fully God, co-equal and co-eternal with God the Father and God the Son. He is different from the Father and the Son in that he proceeds from the Father through the Son (John 1: John 16:7). The word "Holy" literally means "sanctified", and "Ghost" or "Spirit" means "breathe" or "wind". He is literally the Sanctified Breathe/Wind of GOD. When YHWH the Son created man, He "breathed" the "Breathe of Life" into man. When JESUS was leaving, HE again breathed on mankind saying "Receive ye the HOLY GHOST" in the Gospel of John chapter 21. This does not make Him the FATHER at all, but the Living Breathe from the Life Giver Himself. GOD has no choice but to produce life at all times in all things, for it is HIS eternal nature. His very mind and breath produces life!

I'm sure you wouldn't even want me to begin to use Hebrews chapter one!! Someone said that Trinitarians don't use scriptures. I say that we have enough of GOD's wisdom to not only use scripture, but everything else out there in existence to prove our point, for "the Earth is the LORD an the fullness there of", and "the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse".